Have Some links,some Cryptography an explanation and a goat
Well lets start with the explanation .. due to staff shortages (cough) this site will not be updated until tuesday the 2nd august, evening (uk time). Comments will be read and responded to where possible but new stories will not be posted until then. My RSS feeds will still be running and any scoops i find will not be missed but will be late. so i would like to recommend this lot instead.
which brings me to the links which is the best place to find the latest on Iraq the london bombs al-qaeda and all the stories normally covered here
in the US
First on the board is Daily Dissent
. A fantastic site who often succeed in being ahead of the trend. Then we have Americancentered
for those undecided between the left and right.
In the UK
I would recommend Logical voice
who I know nothing about but from what I have read, they seem to be what the title suggests.
For news stories;
a few random sites CBS Fox BBC Aljazeera CNN ITV SKY ABC australia
that should do.
If you want to read a paper ,
then this is one place you can read 6000 newspapers on line from around the world Thepaperboy
If you want to watch TV from around the world, including Iraqi tv
then goto wwitv
If you have an hour to spare and are bored out of your mind goto Bored.com
If your looking to the answer to lifes conspiricies then you will fight the right one (erm along with all the wacky nutty absurd wrong ones) at Totse
If your aged over 25 and you wonder what happened to all those games you used to play on the old computers, you can get most of them for free at home of the underdogs
This next one comes with a warning . If you really, really want to know what is happening in the world without the lovely editing that all the above news companies will do, then this next one is the best .. but please .. they show real life . They show real war .. they show the death and destruction that comes with war and they dont pick sides, but they do show you the things CNN and Fox wont. If you are not sure you can handle seing real images from real war and real horrible death then DO NOT GO HERE. But if you really want to know for example what we are doing in Iraq then there is no better place on earth then Informationclearinghouse
If you know something doesn't sound right but you dont know why, check out these guys
. They are often ahead of the trend when it comes to what really happened.
If all this is driving you crazy and you just want to get back to the good old manufactured truth, then there is no better place on earth to calm (or create) your fears the whitehouse
If your angry about the Downing Street memos then dont be angry alone. Join the crowd at afterdowningstreet
. As for more links , well there are thousands and these are just a few that happened to be on top of the pile. More links next time.
As for cryptography:
Well for anyone really bored, here is a simple cypher to decode. The question is who said this and what is it they said:pei kjkdzkq mik zjjprmvzrk mjb ikqpeitkyes mjb qp mik wk vxkg jkrki qvpu vxzjlzjnmopev jkw wmgq vp xmid pei tpejvig mjb pei ukpusk mjb jkzvxki bp wk
and finally here is the goat
hope you have a good one, talk to you soon, and thanks for the link.. "Cheers", or something like that
ALL four would be bombers arrested
After a set of dramatic raids the three remaining suspects from last weeks failed suicide bomb attack on london have beeen arrested
Two London arrests are thought to be the men wanted for the 21 July Oval Tube and No 26 bus attacks. A third bomb suspect was already being held
The fourth suspect, wanted for the attempted Shepherd's Bush Tube attack, has been arrested in Rome and named as Somali-born UK citizen Osman Hussain
for all the details click Here
Today in Iraq (at a glance)
The last 24 hours of the latest "last throws" as reported by reuters
Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on Thursday, July 28 as of 1400 GMT.
U.S. and Iraqi forces are battling a Sunni Arab insurgency against the Shi'ite and Kurdish-led government in Baghdad.
BAQUBA - Six Iraqi soldiers were killed in clashes with insurgents in two Iraqi towns north of Baghdad, security sources said. The fighting began when guerrillas fired mortars and light arms at three checkpoints in Baquba and two in Khan Bani Saad, the sources said.
BAGHDAD - Six civilians were killed and eight soldiers were wounded on Wednesday when a suicide car bomber targeted an Iraqi Army checkpoint in Mansour district, western Baghdad.
An Iraqi military statement said on Thursday that two civilian cars were destroyed in the attack.
KIRKUK - A bomb hit an oil pipeline that provides Baiji's refineries with oil from Kirkuk's oil fields, 90 km (55 miles) south-west of Kirkuk, a source at the northern oil protection force said.
A gas pipeline that supplies Baiji power station was also damaged during the attack.
HADITHA - The assistant chief of Haditha police station was shot dead by gunmen in the town, 200 km (125 miles) northwest of Baghdad, chief of Haditha hospital Dr. Waleed al-Hadithi said.
BAGHDAD - Two Iraqi soldiers were killed on Wednesday when their patrol struck a bomb in north Baghdad. A military statement said one other soldier was wounded in the attack.
* BAGHDAD - A captain at Azzuhur police station was assassinated on Wednesday night near his home in al-Sha'ab district, northern Baghdad, a police source said.
BAGHDAD - One policeman was killed and four injured by a roadside bomb in front of a police station in Baghdad's southern district of Doura.
* FALLUJA - One US soldier died on Wednesday in a vehicle accident at Camp Taqaddum in Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad, a military statement said on Thursday.
on my site you said we need to find another way. I replied. There is some other stuff in there too that we were talking about, but in reference to terrorism, here is my personal little solution (I dont have a multi-million dollar staff to reality check this one though):
My personal "other way", would be to take the money we are duming into Iraq right now (we would leave an Embassy there, and get out, let them fall upon themselves). We would develop a viable alternative fuel source, subsidize the auto industry to produce the cars at low cost for Americans, and thus cut our oil dependancy.
With out being center stage of the most stratigic resource in the world... The Middle-East gets ignored. With nothing else to finance them, the leaders (true bankers behind terrorism) would fall, and we would be done with Islamic Zealots suddently well funded around the world.
North American Muslims Issue a Fatwa Against Terrorism
Fox news (yes i know) have reported that American Muslim scholars who interpret religious law for their community issued an edict Thursday condemning terrorism against civilians
"It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities," according to the Fiqh Council. The term "fiqh" refers to Islamic legal issues and understanding the faith's religious law
"We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism," the scholars wrote. "We pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States, and its people. We pray for the safety and security of all inhabitants of our planet."
i wonder if the right wing extremists will notice this
full story Here
I wonder if they really mean it. I bet if you asked the guys in London if they supported terrorism, they would have looked at you and NO!, Islam is a religion of peace...
it is ... i am no muslim G i dont belong to any faith but there does need to be seperation between the very small minority of yes EVIL extremists and the very large majority of peacefull muslims
if you look through the archive you will find the british muslims have already taken this step
some people want to use this as an excuse to attack all muslims
normal people didnt attack all catholics when it was the IRA
and normal black people dont blame every white man on earth for slavery
I argue to the contrary when it concearns Muslims. Please read this post I made awhile ago. Visit the link in it. It expressly details why I disagree.
i have just been to your site (i know you from daily dissent anyway)
I will read your article but before i do i wonder how you could argue to the contrary
these statements were made by muslims TODAY and picked up by the worlds media .. are they lying ????
First, if you wouldnt mind, I linked you to my site. You dont have to link me as well, but I'd appreciate it.
I honestly have a nagging suspicion, as attacks conducted under the Islamic flag have spread in location, that there is a coordianted effort, by the majority of muslims to bring about world change to their favor. In my post that you visited, you would have seen that I think there are Devout Muslims, and Lazy Muslims (just as there are Devout Christians, and lazy ones). The Devout cannot ignore some of the parts of the Koran because they dont like it. And that book (unlike the New Testmant) preaches that non-belivers must be either converted or killed.
This makes me begin to question when they condemn attacks that are in keeping with their faith.
Not ready to pass judgement on all Muslims, but as this continues, I feel my suspicions are confirmed.
on your request / i have not as yet linked anyone to my site except news now (who require you to do so to be accepted by them) however i see no reason not to link you (whenever i get round to it) i do think that you probably are somewhere in the centre (in america anyway) even though to me you seem to come from way to the right .. in general though feel free to email me this sort of stuff so we can stay on topic
on your reply "that there is a coordianted effort, by the majority of muslims to bring about world change to their favor."
i see two answers . like many groups
whites/blacks/jews/muslims/teenagers (the list is endless)i am sure that muslims are trying to make the world better for them .. we all do
however if by this you are implying a sinister desire in MOST muslims are trying to destroy us all and rule the world i think you may have drunk some of that kool aid you keep mentioning
lol, no, not a sinister plot by millions. More like Hundreds, maybe thousands...
But suppose this:
The Catholic Church began issuing orders to Catholics to carry out violent attacks on Jews/Muslims.
The sinister plot was formed at the Vatican. Maybe 2000 total people involved... but how many, because of their faith, would follow the order. If even a small fraction of Catholics did, would not a "Global" conspiracy then ensue?
Will check you tomarrow.
yes it would .. but you miss something
muslims are Much more likely to listen to other muslims then they are to us
they are also much more likely to lsiten to other muslims then an american or british gun
there are MILLIONS of muslims that hate this violence , hate the terror and they are saying so Loud and clear
they need our support .. if you go and isolate them all then what the hell do the terrorists have to lose
you win by supporting the moderate muslims to bring peace to there own people and by looking at the reasons the moderate muslims give for the anger of the muslim faith
if you dont support the Majority of muslims NOW as they try to tackle this problem and even the moderates turn there backs on the west then we do have problems .. much much much worse then this
Here is an interesting article:
And for the record, I believe any form of extremism is society poison. Hate breeds hate, whether it be extremist Muslim, Christian, right-wing, left-wing. Even some greens get out of control (ELF).
hehehe i agree with you on the greens ... viscious bastards (kidding)
as ever somethingsphishy you have an adept skill to sum up in a small paragraph what i kind of try to explain with verbal diareha
astute as ever
i wil check out the link shortly .. thanks
But which ones are the moderates? The US has a long and tattered history of supporting Muslims... and not a one of them has worked out well for us. Bosnia: supported Muslims, Iraq/Iran: supported Muslims, Afghanastan: supported Muslims, Somalia: supported Muslims...
I will go back to the post I just threw down on your most recent update. We need to marginalize them, not try to find the right ones to support.
and I've missed you phishy... lol, good link though. And ELF is kinda spooky, I think they honestly value human life less than all others... dont understand that logic.
if you ask your own CIA why it has never turned out right for you they will tell you the answer in a second
you used them then abandoned them when it no longer suited
telling the SHIA to rise up agaisnt saddam then doing nothing when they did
examples i could give by the dozen
who are the moderate ones .. answer is simple .. the ones that dont want to blow everyone up
you dont have to agree with extreme muslims (i dont)
the way they treat women in the more extreme cases is barbaric but democracy has never been delivered by the barrel of a gun , it doesnt work
let them run their own affairs and go balistic at them if they get out of control
Pakistan .. (today they have told all foriegn peoplewho are there for extreme religious teachings to leave the country)
you have to make a choice .. do you want to defeat terrorists or do you want to try and change the muslim faith ... i thought the idea was the first one
the second is their own business whether we aprove or not
oh, the "right wing extremists" noticed it all right. they also noticed how there was not a peep out of them after 9-11 (well except for that dancing in the streets bit), and then nothing after 3-11 in Spain, and then nothing after 7-6 in London....but all the sudden Al Queda starts slaughtering Muslims in Sharm al-Sheik and all the they start to question the logic of keeping this 400 pound gorilla in their back yard. they couldn't wait to get in front of a camera to tell us that we are reaping what we have sown, yet now that they are doing a little reaping themselves, it's all different. please, is this supposed to convince someone of something? Arafat would come out and categorically denounce acts of terror too, did you believe him when he said it?
don't get me wrong, i'm glad they said what they did. the only issue i have is they should have started this process some 20 years earlier.
funny isnt , how you remember history
do you remember Saddam hussien condeming sept 11th in the most graphic terms ? he did ..
do you remember every muslim nation on earth offering america support for this horrible event ?
funny ... they did
do you remember it was muslims whose feet were on the ground in afgasnistan taking on the taliban
you dont ? oh sorry
this is not about taking sides friend and selecting a version of history that suites
where was your voice when we murdered the whole town of fallujah a few months ago
not just the terrorists .. the children the women the old people
did you condem that ? or are your views just one sided
for i condem BOTH
Look and learn George .How to stop terrorism
The IRA today has made a historic statement renouncing terrorism and giving their full support to the democractic process
To watch this statement in full at the BBC click Here
Can we say we have won ? .. .well no you can't win against terrorists . by trying you just end up creating more of them
So what happened ? ....we found a way through talking and listening to live together in peace
We allowed the political wing of the IRA (Sinn Fein) into the democratic process .
As the world has been telling you George , try using your ears instead of your mouth
Look at why people are so angry
Look at what you have done to iraq
Look at the israel/palestine issue
Look at letting the middle east run its own affairs
Look at the INJUSTICE in the world and being the 'leader' of the free world .
Address it !
Of course you can never stop all terrorists , we know that , they have existed since time began
that is no excuse not to listen
Do you really think the british government wanted to listen to the IRA ! .. of course they didnt , but they did want peace , and going in with all guns blazing just seemed to make more terrorists then we killed
Terrorists are not born that way .. ask yourself what happens to make a small innocent child grow into someone so angry that they want to blow themselves up taking so many innocents with them
for those few who still do not get it ... i am not and never will justify terrorism , it is horrific , barbaric , inhumane and evil
if you read my words and think that i do , i would advice you to go back to watching Fox
You forgot two drastically important things on this one.
A.) It took 30 years to get to this point.... we've been doing it for, ahh 4?
B.) Guess how many times the British appeased the IRA? None, zip, zilch, nada. That is why the IRA never took back Ireland...
G .. with respect do your history . it didnt take 30 years to get to this point it took 700 !!!
how many times did the British appease the IRA .. answer hundreds .. just check out the BBC yesterday .. to get to this point we had to release another murderer (to us .. to them freedom fighter)
so alas your point is welcome but without historical accuracy
as for your final point "this is why the IRA never took back ireland"
answer -- it wss never theres .. ireland has it's own government and its own parliment .. the ira never got elected to run the country .. it was never theres
The IRA was fighting against British Occupation. The SAS was brutally beating back the IRA for many many years. And it was around 1970 that the IRA announced it's presence, and said "there is a time to fight".
But, if you really want to go with 700, well, then ok... your boy Bush is WAY ahead of the curve.
Again, we've been in it for about 5 years (it was going on before Bush, but Clinton didnt realize it)... But already you have lost your stomache for it, and need concessions from us to them.
I never did support this
terrorism is a noun ..
were the french freedom fighters against NAZI germany terrorists ?
was your battle of independance from us a battle we fought with terrorists ?
who do you think you are with war with ?
al-qaeda maybe ???
the same people the CIA supplied with stinger weapons to fight the russians
the same people george bush and his family have had buisness dealings with for years ?
it was not the wonderfull work by our SAS that defeated the IRA
it was the wonderfull work of our MI5 who opened back chanel talks with them
sorry G you dont get it .. YOU CANT WIN A WAR AGAINST TERRORISTS
it never happens , never will
the equation is simple .. kill one = inspire 2
i wish we could , but it isnt possible
oh and just to clarify .. 1969 was the formation of the provisional IRA . 700 years of history is what it took to make them so angry
read up on the potato famine the british(me) brought to them and how many people died
any irish history expert of which (like any country that has suffered from imperalism) there are plenty could probably give you a much more detailed list of the abuses . but if you want i could recount what i know ?
I understand why the Irish were mad (mom is Irish). But here is the difference between freedom fighters and terrorists:
Freedom fighters attack military targets to end oppression/occupation from forces that are attempting to conquer/absorb them against their will.
Terrorists attack non-military targets with the intent of influencing government policy to reflect their political ideals that by and large are not shared by the majority of the populace.
Our Independence was over political differences that could not be resolved, resulting in the formation of armed forces that fought to gain the right of our own governance.
France was pushing back invaders with intent to conquer their land.
Modern day terrorists are bombing people in London to try and get them out of Iraq (mind you the bombers were from Pakistan).
They bomb each other because the government won’t enforce Islam as much as they would like.
so the "freedom fighters" in iraq and palastine are fighing due to political reasons that they can not resolve ?
come on .. you have to admit the insurgents in iraq would love to use a line like
"Our Independence was over political differences that could not be resolved, resulting in the formation of armed forces that fought to gain the right of our own governance"
alas my friend i see no diference
one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
You cant be a freedom fighter when you are doing it in a different country. Was the US acting as "Freedom Fighers" in Afghanistan when they helpt he Mujadhen (spelling) against the Soviets?
Terrorism uses the "terror" effect caused by delivering violence non-military targets. Object of war/revolution is to acheive supremacy/self-governance.
Object of terroism to scare people into doing what you want. Big difference.
'Object of terroism to scare people into doing what you want'
that is exactly what the muslims feel the US id doing to them .. maybe you can see why they call george a terrorist
you see words are many things to many people you say Terrorism uses the "terror" effect caused by delivering violence
but you could have said "shock and awe"
Shock and Awe was against military targets. We immobilized their military in one night. Terror strikes subways, school buses, shopping malls.... there is a difference.
it is very difficult to draw the line at what is and is not a military target
are the normal civilians who are trying to just feed their famillies who just happen to work in
A tv station
A electric power station
The political head quarters of a country
to me a MILITARY target is directed simply at the MILATARY of the other side .. where do you draw the line ?
when you are using Cluster bombs (banned by most countries on earth as an inhumane and nasty (evil?) weapon and depleted uranium
you see the difference may be that i have seen many of the video shot that could not and would not be shown on main stream TV . i have seen the aftermath of the coalition the bodies the death , the women , children who have been blown to bits and were without doubt NOT terrorists and NOT insurgents
there is no such thing as a clean war and terms like shock and awe and colateral damage are designed to make it all sound lovely
it isnt , you have been there , you know i am right
we have good old Nuclear detterent , they have weapons of mass destruction
they have terrorists .. we do collatoral damage
we have "a coalition of the willing"
they have "an AXIS OF EVIL"
come one G .. dont you think that is straight from the style of orwell
you look at a body destroyed by a suicide bomber . then look at a body destroyed by a cluster bomb
what difference ?
i recently came accross a video of the accident that happened when a missle struck an underground shelter (which nobody doubts now)
the floor was pure liquid as the heat had melted the body fat from the victims into a river
some of the bodies hade been fused together from the heat
the sort of scene that until the last 100 years could never have been seen by any human
you tell those families that it is different
G, are you saying that the 10's of thousands of Iraqi civilians that died from the very same bombs taht targeted Iraq's military etc were just CD? While I respect your military service I question your rationale...
Nine overnight arrests as London goes on 'High alert'
Police have revealed that they have made nine arrests overnight in tooting south London.
All the arrests are believed to be connected to the failed attack on London last thursday
two houses have been raided resulting in six arrests at one property and three at another
it is not thought any of the arrests are of the three 'suspects' spotted on CCTV attempting to plant the previous devices
Police said the suspects, arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000, had been taken to a central London police station for questioning.
A spokesman said searches of the addresses were ongoing.
London Is on High alert today with the three main suspected bombers presumed to be still at large . Armed police are guarding many tube and bus stations
as a step to help ensure public safety it has just been anounced that 'Devon and Cornwall Police' and British Transport Police are carrying out high-profile checks of rolling stock on the rail network to London.
'Armed officers and dog teams will check carriages to ensure public safety.'
'Police say they are not acting on any specific information but are working to reassure the public.'
for more of the updating story goto the BBC
Thursday in London (London bombings)
The last two attacks on the city have happened on a Thursday .
Three of the four attempted bombers are still on the loose
There is evidence that the flats already raided contained plenty of explosives for many more such attacks.
The three (at least) remaining bombers may well feel that they would rather go with a bang then be captured and spend there lives in jail
These are all reasons to suggest that an attempted attack could happen today
On the other hand ,
There was a two week gap between the last attacks .
One of the Bombers has been captured and four are presumed dead
The police and MI5 (leaving aside killing an innocent and the report stating we lowered our security threat level ) have done a fantastic job
Many 'unknown terrorist houses' have been raided
The three suspects are bound to be running scared
Security will be at it's highest level ever
The people of London will have eyes like hawks
So it seems there is equal reason to suggest there will not be an attack today
I comment on this site often and without shame about the suffering that happens around the world sometimes at the hands of our Governments , sometimes at the hands of Terrorists but always to the detriment of people .
In the end it is always the people that suffer
It is impossible to imagine what it must be like to live and work in Baghdad , every single day they cope with this and every single day families are being torn apart by bombs
Today as the clock works its way round to 07:30 my thoughts are with the people of my city ,the people of London
I pray today ends without event
'End to Iraq, Palestinian conflicts would help halt terror'
The Prime Minister of Egypt Ahmed Nazif who's Country was attacked by terrorists only a few days ago has added his name to the growing list of people who feel that the situation in Iraq and palastine is helping to breed terrorists
The two conflicts "are definitely breeding grounds" for terrorism, Nazif told Sky News television
Egypt's fight against terrorism included steps to protect its own citizens and that of foreign tourists as well as "to uproot the reasons for having terrorism, and one of the reasons is the presence of those conflicts," he said.
"Hand in hand we need to work on the peace process between the Palestinians and Israelis," he said.
"We need to work on the situation in Iraq and make sure the Iraqis can govern themselves, that the foreign troops leave Iraq and to end up with a system there" that is democratic, he said.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair rejected claims that the US-led occupation in Iraq, in which British troops are involved, is fuelling terrorism, saying it was a pretext by extremists to launch attacks
full story Here
New government , New police force , Same old torture
Iraq's new police force is facing mounting allegations of systematic abuse and torture of people in detention, as well as allegations of extra-judicial killings. The minority Sunni community in particular claims it is being targeted by the Shia-dominated police force
"The police started to beat us, tied our hands and blindfolded us," he said.
"We were left from 5.30 that evening inside a kind of container that had no air vents. After one hour, we lost consciousness and some people began to die, the others were dead by one o'clock in the morning"
full story Here
When all other lies fail ,blame Jane
I am amazed to see how quickly the American right wing puts on its boxing gloves and starts to fight in a manner that if employed by anyone else would probably get you arrested.
News that the actress and activist Jane Fonda is planning an antiwar bus tour, which by the look of things would have been a low key, barely noticed event ,has enraged the right wing so much that they have gone out of their minds with anger !
Doesn't this kind of personal attack stink of desperation to you ?
Why is it that being rude,offensive and down right nasty is a tactic the right thinks will bring them more support
A few examples
The Conservative zone : said"This B-I-T-C-H is a traitor twice now in my eyes. She has the right to voice her opinions, but her past actions have branded her a traitor and she deserves to be treated like one."
Simi Valley Sophist : said"No matter how you slice and dice it, a traitor is still a traitor"
GOP Bloggers said"I wonder if she'll have herself photographed wearing a suicide-bomb belt?"
this valentine from
Bad Example : sets a very inhumane example inAN OPEN LETTER TO JANE FONDA "Haven't you already done enough damage for one lifetime?
"Please die soon. "
Righties, knowing that they have little ammunition to justify this war in Iraq, are positively jumping for joy at Fonda's stepping out against the invasion. It gives them something to get their teeth into !
To paraphrase a sentence that is doing the rounds at the moment , it seems to me that
"The anger is being built around the policy"
or to quote even better from the motto of the excellent Daily Dissent
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public
Excellent, that was really well explained and helpful
It's Not Weak to Ask 'Why?'
An excellent article that touches upon the same subject as my post 'This is not about taking sides'
a snippet here
'This week's nominee for Orwell's Dustbin is the phrase ''blame-America first.''
It's just one of the argument-avoiding insults on the right wing's long list of synonyms for ''liberals.''
"To make the term sound like it carries some intellectual weight, you'll often hear right-wing brothers and sisters talk about how open-toe sandal wearin', tree-huggin,' bunny lovin', latte drinkin', terrorist-sympathizin', weak-on-defense, liberals engage in too much ''self-introspection.'' So, not only are ''liberals'' out to destroy America with their bleeding hearts and soft-headedness, they're also Jean Paul Sarte-reading navel-gazers.
Now, to see how ridiculous this is, imagine if this real-men-don't-introspect logic was applied to, say, police homicide investigations.
Detectives routinely ask why. Why would someone kill this particular person? What was the motive? In doing so, cops aren't ''justifying'' murder. They're not making excuses when they speak of what environmental circumstances provided the opportunity or the encouragement to kill.'
It's not ''feel-good'' utopianism to explore the roots of terrorism. It's downright pragmatic. You may not be able to change the heart of evil through knowledge. But it can lead to more effective strategies in fighting terrorism, which is why it so intellectually dishonest when conservatives accuse people interested in what fuels terrorism of wanting to ''offer therapy (to) our attackers,'' to quote Karl Rove's psychobabble
to read the full article on Alternet click Here
and thanks go as always to Daily Dissent
for linking to my site . if your in The US there is no better place to stay informed
Independent US panel says 'Bush Was Unready for Postwar Iraq'
An independent panel headed by two former U.S. national security advisers said Wednesday that chaos in Iraq was due in part to inadequate postwar planning
"A dramatic military victory has been overshadowed by chaos and bloodshed in the streets of Baghdad, difficulty in establishing security or providing essential services, and a deadly insurgency,"
full story from ABC News Here
Suspected Bomber arrested with Taser gun
'Suspected bomber Yasin Hassan Omar has been arrested by police in Birmingham investigating the failed 21 July attacks in London'
Omar, 24, suspected of the attack near Warren Street Tube station, was held in a dawn raid after being stunned with a Taser gun, the BBC has learnt.
It is believed a rucksack he was carrying at the time was thrown out of a window by officers.
Full story at the BBC
News is also coming in of a raid taking place NOW by armed officers in Stockwell i will bring you more when i have it
This is not about taking sides
I have just read an article in the Guardian discussing the need to look at dialogue as a means to go forward in the battle against terror.
It seems when George Bush said those famous words "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists", some people took this as the new 11th commandment .But as most political commentators will accept the world is never that simple.
There are millions of us in the world who not only feel disgust that someone would choose to blow themselves up, taking many lives with them, but we also hold at the same time the view that dropping cluster bombs on a town called Fallujah is also disgusting .
when a poll suggests that 85 percent in britain connect the London attack to Iraq, that doesnt mean that 85 percent support the terrorists or as is claimed "justify the terrorists"
To understand what motivates someone to become a terrorist is not to justify a terrorist
I agree without question with Tony Blair when he says that there is no justification for suicide bombings . you dont need to be Einstien .. he is right
I also agree without question that the war in Iraq and the deaths of 25000 innocent Iraqi's has no justification ....
I know , we have had WMD, we have had Saddam was a bad bad man , we have had "the war on terror" but none of these arguments stand firm to much scrutiny
the best argument given has to be that saddam was a bad man .. and i for one dont argue this point . but when you look at the numbers of dictators in the world and wonder why Saddam and Saddam alone was selected, you have to admit it does look a little shaky
Yes he was bad , he wasn't the worst
The article brings up an important point that often gets overlooked . Both sides in any argument usually 'only' have an incredible ability to remember facts that help their case
ask someone who supports the people of Palistine why they feel so angry and they will quite likely tell you the story of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy, crouching behind his father, trying to avoid the Israeli bullets that killed him
ask an Israeli the same question and again they may tell you the story of two young Israeli men who crossed a boundary into Palestinian territory. They were killed, torn apart by an angry crowd.
But neither will have much of a memory for the facts of the other , both these stories are true , both these stories are well documented
So Mr Blair yes .. you are right , there is no justification for suicide bombing , there is no justification for ALMOST all killing
The 'terrorists have commited acts of evil even against their own people yes and against us
But just because the actions of the coalition in Fallujah were not broadcasted on main stream TV, dont think that we have not noticed that too.
To say they are evil is one thing you know we all agree on. Nobody from the left or the right will disagree with you there.
To imply that our hands are squeaky clean is yet another
anyway here is the Article
'...Yes he was bad , he wasn't the worst'
Estimated number of death under Saddam Hussein during his 30-years reign : 300.000
Estimated number of death under 18 month of 'coalition of the willing' occupation : 100.000
No contest here
Estimated deaths as a result of western sanctions? Wasn't something like 5 million children?
Again it seems the point makes it self , whenever anyone tries to justify the war in iraq the facts end up looking a little shaky
we (as in the US and UK) killed more Iraqi citizens as a result of our 12 years of sanctions then saddam killed himself
Yet another day of Carnage in Iraq
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Gunmen opened fire on a bus carrying employees home from a factory in Abu Ghraib, west of Baghdad, on Tuesday, killing up to 17 people, police and hospital sources said.
A source at a Baghdad hospital said it had received the bodies of 17 people killed in the attack. Police sources said 12 people had been killed and nine wounded.
The police sources said the al-Faris factory worked on reconstruction projects. Insurgents often target Iraqis seen as working for the U.S.-backed authorities.
U.S. and Iraqi forces are battling an insurgency led by Sunni Arabs resentful of the Shi'ite and Kurdish-led government in Baghdad
The true spirit of the Liberal Americans shows through
For the first time, a majority of Americans, 51%, say the Bush administration deliberately misled the public about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction — the central justification given for invading. The administration's credibility on the issue has been steadily eroding since 2003 after stores of the weapons weren't found.Here
Al Qaeda or Al Fayda
These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's founding fathers." (Ronald Regan while introducing the Mujahideen leaders to media on the White house lawns. (1985)
"Americans are asking: why do they hate us? They hate our freedoms-our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other." George W. Bush, in his speech in US Congress in the aftermath of 9/11. (2001)
These two statements reflect the so-called transition of freedom fighters of which US administration was proud to the same one's being called enemies of US. When Tony Blair in the aftermath of 7/7 uttered his feelings that our resolve to uphold our values is stronger than their resolve to break it, he was referring to the people with same ideology and politics whom Regan praised to the sky and about whom GW Bush had the totally contrary view.
read the rest of this article Here
the U.S. defies order to give up Abu Ghraib abuse photos
'Lawyers for the Defense Department are refusing to cooperate with a federal judge's order to release secret photographs and videotapes related to the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal. '
The lawyers said in a letter sent to the federal court in Manhattan late Thursday that they would file a sealed brief explaining their reasons for not turning over the material, which they were to have released by Friday. ''
full story Here
The ever growing case for the link with Iraq
Though there are some that can never see the wood for the trees ,the evidence in the minds of the public, the politicians ,the security services and "non partisan research groups" continues to grow towards an understanding that the failed policies on iraq have not helped and have only made things worse.
This is an interesting piece just published in the Toronto Sun written by Eric Margolis
whose web site i would recommend to anyone .
A small snippet below
"Two weeks ago, from London, I wrote that the underground bombings were the despicable but inevitable retaliation by angry young Muslims for Britain's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Unsurprisingly, I received a good deal of flak. Still, an embarrassing leaked report from MI-5,
Britain's security service, and a study by Chatham House, a leading UK non-partisan research group, confirmed links between the attacks, Afghanistan and Iraq. Polls show a majority of Brits agreed. "
85 percent in britain connect London attack to Iraq
Nearly 85 per cent of all Britishers believe that the 7/7 London blasts were connected with Britain's participation in the US-led Iraq war, with a quarter of them believing, that it was a direct outcome of the war
The YouGov survey for the 'Daily Mirror' and GMTV revealed that 23 per cent of the total population believes that the Iraq war was the "main cause" of the attacks, while 62 percent said it was only a "contributory factor", the 'Daily Mail' reported.
Only 12 per cent of the Britishers were of the view that the attacks on underground trains and a bus were "not a significant cause" of Britain's involvement in the Iraq war, the survey found out.
According to the paper, the UK government had consistently rejected the argument that the bombings were the result of Britain's involvement in Iraq, insisting that extremist Islamic terror attacks began long before the invasion.
While, a majority of people, nearly 58 per cent, said that they did not believe the security forces could have done any more to prevent the attacks, 71 per cent thought the police could not have done anything to prevent the attacks.
next year 85% of the population might think it is because of global warming or Madonna's new album, who cares? you are wasting your time trying to get into the mind of someone that straps dynamite to their underwear and attempt to learn anything through rational explanation of this.
go fight in iraq, leave iraq, doesn't really matter which, they are still going to keep coming and if we are smart, we will help them as much as humanly possible in their quest to meet Allah.
Indeed, and it's telling that this dissent comes from the Mail but I'm not too surprised the British public aint buying Blairs bullshit.
it may not matter to you , but to the families of the 25,000 iraqi's killed i imagine it matters quite alot
these are people (just like you and me )
try looking at the recorded cases of terrorism in iraq previous to the war ?
find any ?
didnt think so
if 25000 died in my country (the uk) we would call that terrorism
as my previous reply
what has any of this got to do with the people of iraq ?
and secondly .. 'next year 85% of the population might think it is because of global warming or Madonna's new album, who cares? '
I CARE ! i live in a democracy , do you ?.
. you are someone who doesnt care what the people think .. mr hitler maybe ?
try looking at the recorded cases of terrorism in iraq previous to the war ?
Hummm....try looking in a few of those mass graves, maybe you will find a dissadent or two.
Are you really one of those that thinks Iraq was some kind of peaceful little corner of Arabia a couple of years ago? Just waiting for the big bad US govt to come and rip it all up?
Listen guy. You won't take my advice but I'll offer it just the same. Your blog is identical to 10,000 other leftist blogs that have all the answers to everything in the world and every one of them involves hating the US government. If you want to actually make a point that someone might listen to and ponder, don't try the usual garbage of re-writing history and quoting crap information to make your arguments for you (like there was no terrorism in Iraq before the US got there). Have an honest debate, it won't hurt, I promise.
i wont advice you on your paranoia either
the United states CIA stated
"yes iraq is a problem but it is ranked 7th . we see NO REASON to do anything about any country outside the top 5 "
does that mean that the american CIA hate the american government .. boy have they got problems
like most people from the right you think by being sarcastic and loud you make your point better
you dont . you look foolish
i am already reaching the amusing point of replying to things your assuming i feel rather then things i have actually said
were did i say that iraq was the garden of eden ?
grow up please .. feel free to respond to what i say .. dont hold me responsible for the neurosis you hold in your mind for thinking i believe this or that .. some people describe that as an illness
you will find that many people do listen to what i say and many agree and many disagree
so have an honest debate ? i would love to .. bring it on .. (go check some facts first though)
I can't check any facts today, I'm far too busy laughing at what you consider fact. This should not bother you however, just keep in mind that I am afflicted with "neurosis". Boy, didn't even know I had it, must of crept up on me.
You think you are going to get some where by arguing whether or not we should have done something, that we have already done!!!!! It serves no purpose, other than to please your little one sided agenda that you promote on this blog. Again, just like so many others that have nothing to say.
Maybe some day you will be convincing, just not yet. When you get past 2003, post something from let's say 2004 or maybe even 2005, I'll come back and play. I know you are likely waiting on the edge of your seat.
the point of history is to learn and not to repeat the lessons hard learnt from our past
it appears we still have plenty to learn from our past (judging from you) that the purpose .. to learn something !
oh god yes ... my transcripts with you are orgasmic (not) . i did feel someone was coming along who actually had facts instead of rhetoric .
my site is full of articles about now .. infact this article you are posting on is about a news event that happened today
maybe you didnt read it ?
I think the fact of the matter is:
(a) invading a sovereign nation
(b) thrusting said nation into turmoil and civil war
(c) setting up permanent military bases, puppet government
(d) jailing people of said nation and torturing and humiliating them, many of which are found to be innocent and released
Every single Arab or Middle Easterner can see what's going on in Iraq. And that is the single greatest "terrorist" recruiting tool Osama ever could have dreamed of. They don't see us as concerned for their rights or freedoms. They see us as occupiers and terrorists ourselves.
Blair accepts Link to Iraq
It took long enough to say what was already obvious to the rest of us but Tony Blair has accepted that Iraq could be motivating the recruiment of terrorists
'He acknowledged Iraq was being used to recruit terrorists, but insisted the roots of extremism were much deeper.'
If we accept that the foreign Islamist terrorists in Iraq follow the same ideology as the London bombers, how does it follow that Iraq was a cause?
Even though the quote you used explicitly distances Iraq as a motivating factor for the London bombings, you jump to the typical pseudo-left, pro-fascist conclusion.
There is no basis for your claim at all. I could as justifiably say that intervention in Iraq has prevented bombings in London. Like you, I would be speculating meaninglessly based on a political agenda rather than facts.
Lots of factors motivate the Islamic terrorists. Fear of democracy. Hatred of homosexuality. Disgust at the thought of unveiled women driving cars. Avarice. Arrogance. Fascism. Racism. And yes, infidels standing in the way of Islamic imperialism. But that last item in the list is one motivating factor amongst many.
'If we accept that the foreign Islamist terrorists in Iraq follow the same ideology as the London bombers, how does it follow that Iraq was a cause?'
well if you are watching the news every day and people who share your faith are being murdered , by 'terrorists' by 'insurgents and by foreign troops with the misplaced use of weapons such as cluster bombs and depleted uranium can you no see how that can make the moderate muslim angry !
do not forget that however evil saddam was (and nobody doubts that) terrorists did NOT exist in iraq previous to march 2003
for people like president bush to say "we are fighting them there so we dont have to fight them at home" give me the impression that he views the life of an iraqi child less then he does an american one , that in it self stinks of racism
what the hell does any of this have to do with the poor people of iraq ?
'you jump to the typical pseudo-left, pro-fascist conclusion.'
with respect that i wont answer and would suggest you take this prejiduce up with a therapist . to claim that anyone who is to the left of you is a fascist tells me you have a very limited understanding of politics
'There is no basis for your claim at all. I could as justifiably say that intervention in Iraq has prevented bombings in London. Like you, I would be speculating meaninglessly based on a political agenda rather than facts.'
i would suggest that the facts are 1700 american dead , 25,000 iraqi dead , 200 billion american dollars spent and by looking at the draft constitution in iraq and there planned supression of women for just one example we are moving towards an iraq that is going to be more religious more extreme then we had under saddam .. so you tell me what was the point ?
over the last century the british have had a huge role in shaping iraq and have always prevented the creation of a shia power bass that transends national borders as it has always been accepted that this would be more dangerous then even saddam
i do agree that lots of things motivate the terrorists and i dont think you will ever find me defending there actions . but to refuse to look at our own actions in this is absurd
when 56 people die in the tragic events in london and we all stop for 2 mins to reflect . but every day more people then that die in iraq (an they were not dying this way under saddam) and we dont even blink ..we should question this 'moral highground' we think we are in
You sound like you want Saddam back! Maybe you ought to join up. You could be a ripe recruit yourself.
Just remember that if you don't die on the battlefield (that would be Iraq), then maybe you will be taken prisoner and you can go to Cuba. Just think, nice 80 degree temp all year long, your very own prayer rug, a nice view of the ocean. Granted, it's not virgins in paradise, but it is a nice pause from the everyday stress of modern jihad.
Buddy, what makes a difference if there is this link you are worried about? So what. We are still faced with the same choice. Go and fight them or not. If you don't want to fight, stay out of it. And you are so sure there was no terrorism in Iraq before we got there? Really? And I don't need the Galloway, Howard Dean, Jane Fonda, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky B.S. answer, I'm asking you!
am i sure .. yes i am .. why . because i have studied Al-qaeda since the attack on the US cole , i dont require others to speak for me i speak for myself
on that list of names you have missed "the united nations" ,"france" "germany" "china" , Russia" holly moses .. thats almost the entire security council
yes we are in this mess , we all know that .. but to live in a fantasy so far apposed from the intellectual world rather then stopping and looking at our own actions does seem a little odd
richard clarke a terrorism export for the united states for 4 presidents has said that IRAQ was a huge mistake that has made the world alot more dangerous
anyone who wishes to look into the reasons for this war have to look no further then the web site of "the project for a new american century"
18 people worked on those documents , in 1998 they wrote to president clinton and asked him to invade iraq -- why ?? --- to create a middle east power base
were are those 18 people now ? -- well 10 of them are in the american government , they include dick cheney and donald rumsfield and even jeb bush
as i have before i draw the comparison to what you are saying and the words of Hermann Goering (the nazi)who said
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all,
it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country"
think long and hard about those words
have you been suckered ?
Michael, are you there? That movie studio is a calling again, they said something about 911 cooking temperature, or something like that. Oh I guess you are busy.
Who has been suckered?
i havent even seen the film :O)
it looks like you are running out of facts and resorting to humour
is very good .. thankyou i needed a laugh today
suspiciously lacking in any documented facts though .. thats a shame
The first anonymous post was from me - the others were from someone else but he or she raises some important questions about your motives.
I've seen your blog a few times but this is this is the first time I've commented - it was largely due to frustration with your apparently limited understanding of the language you are quoting, which leads you to write things like:
"to claim that anyone who is to the left of you is a fascist tells me you have a very limited understanding of politics"
We could have a long, complicated argument about the right and left in politics, but I'd rather clarify my position by saying that I consider you to be a pseudo-leftist, i.e. a fascist sympathiser masquerading as a socialist.
you can consider me as you wish . what i present here on this site are facts that are presented in both the left and right wing of the media
if you wish to "have a long complicated argument" on the rights and lefts then please do
dont just state that you could ?
it is a very strange opinion to think that my views are in secret far right winged so i hide them by being extreme left ..
once you double checked your definition of a fascist in the dictionary i invite you to come back and post the evidence you have of my fascist tendancys ..
it is a lovely word to use . but it does help if you can support your claim with facts
as an after thought for the small minority of readers that do need a dictionary
Fascism (sometimes better known as Nazism) is the extreme RIGHT. Communism is the extreme left. I know, they called it National Socialism, but that was merely euphemism, something dictators and min-control experts are good at. We know it better these days as "spin".
The insurgents are joining the Iraqi police
It is so keystone cops i dont know if i should laugh or cry
'Iraq's police force is recruiting insurgents and former criminals to its ranks, according to a report released by the US defence department'
"Even more troubling is infiltration by intending terrorists or insurgents. There is sufficient evidence to conclude that such persons indeed are among the ranks of the [police]."
Erm .. well that would kind of explain the problem !
I am very rarely speechless but this one has got me
Full story Here
and for good measure also Here
Yet another 'Al-qaeda' statement
DUBAI : A group linked to Al-Qaeda said on Friday it carried out the latest London attacks, warning it will not relent until all "infidel" forces quit Iraq, according to an Internet statement.
"Our strikes in the heart of the British infidel capital are nothing more than a message to all European governments that we shall not relent until all infidel forces quit Iraq," the group known as the Brigades of Abu Hafs al-Masri said.
"This is a warning to all those who follow the policies of the president of infidel America," said the statement, whose authenticity could not be confirmed.
real ? who knows .. probably not
More details of the Guantanamo hunger strike
More details are emerging from lawyers in New York, about a hunger strike by detainees at the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
The US military has confirmed that a number of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have refused nine consecutive meals.
The Centre for Constitutional Rights said the lawyers first heard of the strike from prisoners frustrated by their indefinite detention and what they described as the inhuman conditions at Guantanamo, specifically in a facility known as camp five.
According to the lawyers, prisoners had said that as well as a hunger strike, they were planning to boycott showers and recreation time.
They had listed nine demands which they said they were planning to put before the Guantanamo command.
The demands called for respect for their religion, including an end to what they described as desecration of the Koran and religious discrimination, and fair trials with proper legal representation.
They also said they needed adequate supplies of food and clean water, and needed direct sunlight and not to be forced to go for months without seeing daylight.
It is not known if Australian terror suspect David Hicks is among those participating in the hunger strike
WHAT? NO MORE LEMON CHICKEN ON THE MENU? I WON'T STAND FOR THIS. ALLAH SAYS LEMON CHICKEN OR GO HUNGRY. DIE INFIDEL!
sorry, just couldn't resist that one.
no problem your welcome to comment what you feel . i would only sensor offensive language or obvious racism which is rightly illigal
please bare in mind that these people are "suspected" terrorists .. hey if guilty . throw away the key
but until that .. give them the right to defend themselves .. they deserve access to a lawyer and rights under the geneva convention ,
in this country you are innocent until proven guilty .. thats is one of the things we claim makes us better then them ...
kill them on the battelfield, then nobody will have to worry about it.
hehehhe thats more like it ,, hey anf if we have to kill a few children on the way why not ...
it has taken a while but i feel the "real you" is coming out now
..also do you know that i have had a huge increase in readers since you started this (cough) debate
Saddam to be executed soon
An Iraqi government newspaper said Saturday that toppled President Saddam Hussein was expected to be sentenced and executed within weeks. The government-financed al-Sabah daily quoted unidentified sources close to a special court hearing Saddam's case that the verdict will be issued in the next three weeks against the former leader and his top former aides. The sources said they expected the first death penalty against the former regime officials to be handed to Saddam after the special court convicts him on 12 charges of "crimes against humanity." Here
Are you gonna miss em'? Sounds like you will based upon your other fine writings. After all, he had no terrorism in his country, what a guy!
hahahaha no i wont miss him
but i dont believe in the death penelty of any crime
it is not lawful in the UK for any crime for the members of parliment can see that an eye for an eye doesnt work
i am pleased he is no longer in control of iraq
but you seem to have missed something
saddam offered to hold "UNITED NATIONS MONITERED DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS" before the war and this offer was ignored by the west and the media
just think .. we could have had demcorac in iraq by now without all this fuss
sound good ?
does to me
Italian court issues arrest warrants for 6 more CIA agents
An Italian court on Monday issued arrest warrants for six more purported CIA operatives, accusing them of allegedly helping plan the 2003 kidnapping of a radical Egyptian Muslim cleric
Blair "desperately sorry" over shooting of innocent
watch the speech as shown on the BBCHere
The four powers behind the al-Qaeda conspiracy
From the Times newspaper. a fascinating read Here
on the manufactured 'fear' that comes along with the use of that word 'Al-qaeda' .
For the few of you that dont know 'Al-qaeda' means 'The Base' and applied to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan that were in use by Osama Bin Ladens group , those camps were bombed and 'the base' no longer exists .
The terrorist groups being formed each day now , have NO link to Osama , No link to 'The base'
To call these groups Al-qaeda is like calling a fat Japanese gentleman in a Karaoke bar the real Elvis just because he happens to be singing jail house rock
They are copies , the horrific attacks in London and the tragic bombing's in Egypt are not the work of some world wide group .. they are separate events carried out by seperate groups with no link in between , there is no evidence to suggest that Osama Bin laden and his group (if even alive) had any idea these attacks would happen.
to create a climate of fear by using the A word everytime something goes bang adds a certain justification to actions that can not exist if these events are taken in isolation
anyway if you still don't know the four powers behind the Al-qaeda Conspiracy then you have spent to long reading me instead of the article.
Yeah, but that makes it easier to say, instead of saying "another one of those crazy ass Islamists groups that closely parallel the idealogy of Osama Bin Laden". You see, just say Al Queda, it's easier.
So what's your point anyway? Is Al Queda all made up, fantasy land, type stuff? Or you just don't like how the media clumps them all together and gives them one name?
the media and the government yes . of course the attacks are happening , but osama bin laden didnt know .. he didnt fund it
as i say these are copy cats
my point is the same as the point being made by the highly respected Times newspaer of London
so your point is you don't like it that the media calls these groups Al Queda.
What do you want them to be called?
criminals .murderers . terrorists if you must
but linking them all to a single orginised controlled network smells a little like george orwell to me
i am not muslim (or any religion)
but when the IRA attacked we didnt call all catholics terrorists
or maybe you did ?
I might be way way wrong here, and I'm sure you will straighten me out if that is the case, but I notice that you didn't bother answering this last one.
Might that be because the answer to the question doesn't quite fit with your overall thinking? In other words, it doesn't really matter to you that the media and the governments keep referring to these groups as Al Queda. What matters to you is the need to refute the danger all together. The danger is exaggerated, made up by politicians to cement their power. Or something like that.
I don't want to speak for you, so I guess I'll quit, but it is noticable how quick you will jump at the opportunity to quote nonsense such as "there was no terrorism in Iraq prior to 2003", but you will allow a simple question like this one to slide, even though sometimes the simple questions get right at the heart of the matter.
do you call a fat elvis look alike at a karooke bar the real Elvis ??
please dont assume i dont answer you when you are posting at random posts all over my site it takes me a while to get around to them thats all ... i will answer any post you make .. this question was answered in the original article
on this point . it seems my little right winged fury friend that you havent actually answered any questions yourself
you have mocked the "no terrorists in iraq before the war" thing 3 times now but
i hear no examples from you ?
if i am wrong you dont need to spout the dribble you do . just say
March 2000 alqaeda bombed baghdad ! (as an example) that would shut me up wouldnt it ?
but it appears you have NO facts to justify what you say
if you choose to go now . then oh well it was fun .
come back anytime :O)
Brazil demands answers
UPDATE : A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was a Brazilian electrician.
there are no links between this man and terrorism and the Brazillian govenment is asking 'strong questions' of the britsh government on how one of there citizens lawfully working in the UK could have been shot by the police
the Brazilian Government has released a statement
"we look forward to receiving the necessary explanation from the British authorities on the circumstances which led to this tragedy".
more details Here