Thursday, July 28, 2005

North American Muslims Issue a Fatwa Against Terrorism

Fox news (yes i know) have reported that American Muslim scholars who interpret religious law for their community issued an edict Thursday condemning terrorism against civilians

"It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities," according to the Fiqh Council. The term "fiqh" refers to Islamic legal issues and understanding the faith's religious law

"We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism," the scholars wrote. "We pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States, and its people. We pray for the safety and security of all inhabitants of our planet."

i wonder if the right wing extremists will notice this

full story Here


Blogger G_in_AL said...

I wonder if they really mean it. I bet if you asked the guys in London if they supported terrorism, they would have looked at you and NO!, Islam is a religion of peace...

July 28, 2005 10:33 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

it is ... i am no muslim G i dont belong to any faith but there does need to be seperation between the very small minority of yes EVIL extremists and the very large majority of peacefull muslims

if you look through the archive you will find the british muslims have already taken this step

some people want to use this as an excuse to attack all muslims

normal people didnt attack all catholics when it was the IRA

and normal black people dont blame every white man on earth for slavery

July 28, 2005 10:39 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

I argue to the contrary when it concearns Muslims. Please read this post I made awhile ago. Visit the link in it. It expressly details why I disagree.


July 28, 2005 11:33 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

i have just been to your site (i know you from daily dissent anyway)

I will read your article but before i do i wonder how you could argue to the contrary

these statements were made by muslims TODAY and picked up by the worlds media .. are they lying ????

how odd

July 28, 2005 11:38 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...


First, if you wouldnt mind, I linked you to my site. You dont have to link me as well, but I'd appreciate it.

On reply.

I honestly have a nagging suspicion, as attacks conducted under the Islamic flag have spread in location, that there is a coordianted effort, by the majority of muslims to bring about world change to their favor. In my post that you visited, you would have seen that I think there are Devout Muslims, and Lazy Muslims (just as there are Devout Christians, and lazy ones). The Devout cannot ignore some of the parts of the Koran because they dont like it. And that book (unlike the New Testmant) preaches that non-belivers must be either converted or killed.

This makes me begin to question when they condemn attacks that are in keeping with their faith.

Not ready to pass judgement on all Muslims, but as this continues, I feel my suspicions are confirmed.

July 29, 2005 2:49 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

on your request / i have not as yet linked anyone to my site except news now (who require you to do so to be accepted by them) however i see no reason not to link you (whenever i get round to it) i do think that you probably are somewhere in the centre (in america anyway) even though to me you seem to come from way to the right .. in general though feel free to email me this sort of stuff so we can stay on topic

on your reply "that there is a coordianted effort, by the majority of muslims to bring about world change to their favor."

i see two answers . like many groups

whites/blacks/jews/muslims/teenagers (the list is endless)i am sure that muslims are trying to make the world better for them .. we all do

however if by this you are implying a sinister desire in MOST muslims are trying to destroy us all and rule the world i think you may have drunk some of that kool aid you keep mentioning

July 29, 2005 3:02 am  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

lol, no, not a sinister plot by millions. More like Hundreds, maybe thousands...

But suppose this:

The Catholic Church began issuing orders to Catholics to carry out violent attacks on Jews/Muslims.

The sinister plot was formed at the Vatican. Maybe 2000 total people involved... but how many, because of their faith, would follow the order. If even a small fraction of Catholics did, would not a "Global" conspiracy then ensue?

Will check you tomarrow.

July 29, 2005 3:49 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

yes it would .. but you miss something

muslims are Much more likely to listen to other muslims then they are to us

they are also much more likely to lsiten to other muslims then an american or british gun

there are MILLIONS of muslims that hate this violence , hate the terror and they are saying so Loud and clear

they need our support .. if you go and isolate them all then what the hell do the terrorists have to lose

you win by supporting the moderate muslims to bring peace to there own people and by looking at the reasons the moderate muslims give for the anger of the muslim faith

if you dont support the Majority of muslims NOW as they try to tackle this problem and even the moderates turn there backs on the west then we do have problems .. much much much worse then this

July 29, 2005 4:25 am  
Anonymous somethingsphishy said...

Here is an interesting article:

And for the record, I believe any form of extremism is society poison. Hate breeds hate, whether it be extremist Muslim, Christian, right-wing, left-wing. Even some greens get out of control (ELF).

July 29, 2005 4:32 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

hehehe i agree with you on the greens ... viscious bastards (kidding)

as ever somethingsphishy you have an adept skill to sum up in a small paragraph what i kind of try to explain with verbal diareha

astute as ever

i wil check out the link shortly .. thanks

July 29, 2005 4:37 am  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

But which ones are the moderates? The US has a long and tattered history of supporting Muslims... and not a one of them has worked out well for us. Bosnia: supported Muslims, Iraq/Iran: supported Muslims, Afghanastan: supported Muslims, Somalia: supported Muslims...

I will go back to the post I just threw down on your most recent update. We need to marginalize them, not try to find the right ones to support.

July 29, 2005 1:07 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

and I've missed you phishy... lol, good link though. And ELF is kinda spooky, I think they honestly value human life less than all others... dont understand that logic.

July 29, 2005 1:07 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

if you ask your own CIA why it has never turned out right for you they will tell you the answer in a second

you used them then abandoned them when it no longer suited


telling the SHIA to rise up agaisnt saddam then doing nothing when they did

examples i could give by the dozen

who are the moderate ones .. answer is simple .. the ones that dont want to blow everyone up

you dont have to agree with extreme muslims (i dont)

the way they treat women in the more extreme cases is barbaric but democracy has never been delivered by the barrel of a gun , it doesnt work

let them run their own affairs and go balistic at them if they get out of control

perfect example

Pakistan .. (today they have told all foriegn peoplewho are there for extreme religious teachings to leave the country)

you have to make a choice .. do you want to defeat terrorists or do you want to try and change the muslim faith ... i thought the idea was the first one

the second is their own business whether we aprove or not

July 29, 2005 6:39 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, the "right wing extremists" noticed it all right. they also noticed how there was not a peep out of them after 9-11 (well except for that dancing in the streets bit), and then nothing after 3-11 in Spain, and then nothing after 7-6 in London....but all the sudden Al Queda starts slaughtering Muslims in Sharm al-Sheik and all the they start to question the logic of keeping this 400 pound gorilla in their back yard. they couldn't wait to get in front of a camera to tell us that we are reaping what we have sown, yet now that they are doing a little reaping themselves, it's all different. please, is this supposed to convince someone of something? Arafat would come out and categorically denounce acts of terror too, did you believe him when he said it?

don't get me wrong, i'm glad they said what they did. the only issue i have is they should have started this process some 20 years earlier.

July 29, 2005 6:53 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

funny isnt , how you remember history

do you remember Saddam hussien condeming sept 11th in the most graphic terms ? he did ..

do you remember every muslim nation on earth offering america support for this horrible event ?

funny ... they did

do you remember it was muslims whose feet were on the ground in afgasnistan taking on the taliban

you dont ? oh sorry

this is not about taking sides friend and selecting a version of history that suites

where was your voice when we murdered the whole town of fallujah a few months ago

not just the terrorists .. the children the women the old people

all dead

did you condem that ? or are your views just one sided

for i condem BOTH

July 29, 2005 7:08 pm  

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