Blair accepts Link to Iraq
It took long enough to say what was already obvious to the rest of us but Tony Blair has accepted that Iraq could be motivating the recruiment of terrorists
'He acknowledged Iraq was being used to recruit terrorists, but insisted the roots of extremism were much deeper.'
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'He acknowledged Iraq was being used to recruit terrorists, but insisted the roots of extremism were much deeper.'
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posted by _H_ at 6:18 pm
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If we accept that the foreign Islamist terrorists in Iraq follow the same ideology as the London bombers, how does it follow that Iraq was a cause?
Even though the quote you used explicitly distances Iraq as a motivating factor for the London bombings, you jump to the typical pseudo-left, pro-fascist conclusion.
There is no basis for your claim at all. I could as justifiably say that intervention in Iraq has prevented bombings in London. Like you, I would be speculating meaninglessly based on a political agenda rather than facts.
Lots of factors motivate the Islamic terrorists. Fear of democracy. Hatred of homosexuality. Disgust at the thought of unveiled women driving cars. Avarice. Arrogance. Fascism. Racism. And yes, infidels standing in the way of Islamic imperialism. But that last item in the list is one motivating factor amongst many.
'If we accept that the foreign Islamist terrorists in Iraq follow the same ideology as the London bombers, how does it follow that Iraq was a cause?'
well if you are watching the news every day and people who share your faith are being murdered , by 'terrorists' by 'insurgents and by foreign troops with the misplaced use of weapons such as cluster bombs and depleted uranium can you no see how that can make the moderate muslim angry !
do not forget that however evil saddam was (and nobody doubts that) terrorists did NOT exist in iraq previous to march 2003
for people like president bush to say "we are fighting them there so we dont have to fight them at home" give me the impression that he views the life of an iraqi child less then he does an american one , that in it self stinks of racism
what the hell does any of this have to do with the poor people of iraq ?
'you jump to the typical pseudo-left, pro-fascist conclusion.'
with respect that i wont answer and would suggest you take this prejiduce up with a therapist . to claim that anyone who is to the left of you is a fascist tells me you have a very limited understanding of politics
'There is no basis for your claim at all. I could as justifiably say that intervention in Iraq has prevented bombings in London. Like you, I would be speculating meaninglessly based on a political agenda rather than facts.'
i would suggest that the facts are 1700 american dead , 25,000 iraqi dead , 200 billion american dollars spent and by looking at the draft constitution in iraq and there planned supression of women for just one example we are moving towards an iraq that is going to be more religious more extreme then we had under saddam .. so you tell me what was the point ?
over the last century the british have had a huge role in shaping iraq and have always prevented the creation of a shia power bass that transends national borders as it has always been accepted that this would be more dangerous then even saddam
i do agree that lots of things motivate the terrorists and i dont think you will ever find me defending there actions . but to refuse to look at our own actions in this is absurd
when 56 people die in the tragic events in london and we all stop for 2 mins to reflect . but every day more people then that die in iraq (an they were not dying this way under saddam) and we dont even blink ..we should question this 'moral highground' we think we are in
You sound like you want Saddam back! Maybe you ought to join up. You could be a ripe recruit yourself.
Just remember that if you don't die on the battlefield (that would be Iraq), then maybe you will be taken prisoner and you can go to Cuba. Just think, nice 80 degree temp all year long, your very own prayer rug, a nice view of the ocean. Granted, it's not virgins in paradise, but it is a nice pause from the everyday stress of modern jihad.
Buddy, what makes a difference if there is this link you are worried about? So what. We are still faced with the same choice. Go and fight them or not. If you don't want to fight, stay out of it. And you are so sure there was no terrorism in Iraq before we got there? Really? And I don't need the Galloway, Howard Dean, Jane Fonda, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky B.S. answer, I'm asking you!
am i sure .. yes i am .. why . because i have studied Al-qaeda since the attack on the US cole , i dont require others to speak for me i speak for myself
on that list of names you have missed "the united nations" ,"france" "germany" "china" , Russia" holly moses .. thats almost the entire security council
yes we are in this mess , we all know that .. but to live in a fantasy so far apposed from the intellectual world rather then stopping and looking at our own actions does seem a little odd
richard clarke a terrorism export for the united states for 4 presidents has said that IRAQ was a huge mistake that has made the world alot more dangerous
anyone who wishes to look into the reasons for this war have to look no further then the web site of "the project for a new american century"
18 people worked on those documents , in 1998 they wrote to president clinton and asked him to invade iraq -- why ?? --- to create a middle east power base
were are those 18 people now ? -- well 10 of them are in the american government , they include dick cheney and donald rumsfield and even jeb bush
as i have before i draw the comparison to what you are saying and the words of Hermann Goering (the nazi)who said
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all,
it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country"
think long and hard about those words
have you been suckered ?
Michael, are you there? That movie studio is a calling again, they said something about 911 cooking temperature, or something like that. Oh I guess you are busy.
Who has been suckered?
i havent even seen the film :O)
it looks like you are running out of facts and resorting to humour
is very good .. thankyou i needed a laugh today
suspiciously lacking in any documented facts though .. thats a shame
The first anonymous post was from me - the others were from someone else but he or she raises some important questions about your motives.
I've seen your blog a few times but this is this is the first time I've commented - it was largely due to frustration with your apparently limited understanding of the language you are quoting, which leads you to write things like:
"to claim that anyone who is to the left of you is a fascist tells me you have a very limited understanding of politics"
We could have a long, complicated argument about the right and left in politics, but I'd rather clarify my position by saying that I consider you to be a pseudo-leftist, i.e. a fascist sympathiser masquerading as a socialist.
you can consider me as you wish . what i present here on this site are facts that are presented in both the left and right wing of the media
if you wish to "have a long complicated argument" on the rights and lefts then please do
dont just state that you could ?
it is a very strange opinion to think that my views are in secret far right winged so i hide them by being extreme left ..
once you double checked your definition of a fascist in the dictionary i invite you to come back and post the evidence you have of my fascist tendancys ..
it is a lovely word to use . but it does help if you can support your claim with facts
as an after thought for the small minority of readers that do need a dictionary
Fascism (sometimes better known as Nazism) is the extreme RIGHT. Communism is the extreme left. I know, they called it National Socialism, but that was merely euphemism, something dictators and min-control experts are good at. We know it better these days as "spin".
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