Argentina : Protests turn to anti Bush riots
Hundred of protesters have run riot in Argentina, throwing rocks at police just blocks away from the opening of a summit attended by 34 Americas leaders.
Groups of demonstrators approached security cordons around the summit, and a bank was set on fire as police fired tear gas to disperse the rioters. But smaller groups armed with wooden clubs and wearing bandanas began burning US flags, throwing stones and petrol bombs, breaking windows and setting fire to shops. The protesters chanted slogans calling President Bush a terrorist and a war criminal. Bush was in Argentina for the Summit of the Americas.
Graffiti proclaiming "Get out, killer Bush" and "Yankees go home" was spray painted on two monuments in Brasilia, and hundreds of protesters burned an American flag and an effigy of Bush on Friday in front of the U.S. embassy.
So it seems flag burning is also a south American hobby , good job the flags were probably made in china
George Bush: Video of Protests in Argentina : It must be nice to be so loved
Wherever he goes in the world George bush brings riots , chaos and anger in his wake.
Of course the same happened in the US when he won his election and he refused to leave his car for the traditional walk to the White House and in London Scotland ,Iraq and the rest of the middle east , well simply put all across the globe
Dont worry though we all get a go .This week its the turn of south America to shout at the worlds most hated man.But of course the entire world and half the United States (at least) are all wrong
Mr Bush is a very nice man
He just has a way of winding people up the wrong way
you know the stuff , invading Iraq , ignoring Kyoto , disrespecting the UN , Gitmo , Abu graab ... all just failures of communication , he didnt mean it honest
Anyway , todays video clip shows the warm welcome Mr Bush recieved
enjoy it Here
video source : BBC
New Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeachment
By a margin of 53% to 42%, Americans want Congress to impeach President Bush if he lied about the war in Iraq, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.
The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,200 U.S. adults from October 29 through November 2.
The poll found that 53% agreed with the statement:
"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."
42% disagreed, and 5% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 2.9% margin of error.
The wording of the poll was "If Predident Bush..., Congress should CONSIDER holding him accountable through impeachment." The articles states that, "53% of Americans WANT Congess to impeach President Bush if he lied about the war in Iraq." The writer seems to be making a leap, but we should give him or her a pass.
Yea i see what you mean
its a bit lie saying saddam Does have WMD when infact we should have said Saddam Does NOT have WMD
I agree spin is a terrible thing
Marine tells of 'carte blanche' to kill
A former US marine has told a jury that he was given "carte blanche" to kill and was told to "shoot first and ask questions later" while serving in Iraq following the outbreak of war in 2003.Jimmy Massey was giving evidence in the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court trial of five antiwar protesters accused of criminal damage of a US aeroplane at Shannon Airport in February 2003.
Mr Massey was a platoon sergeant in the US Marines stationed in Kuwait in the lead up to the outbreak of the Iraq war and served there following the invasion until May 15, 2003.
The accused have pleaded not guilty to two counts each of causing damage without lawful excuse to a naval plane, property of the United States Government and to glass door panels, property of Aer Rianta at Shannon Airport on February 3, 2003.
They are Ciaron O’Reilly, an Australian national and Damien Moran, aged 25, both of South Circular Road, Rialto; Nuin Dunlop, aged 34, a US citizen and counsellor living on Walkinstown Road, Dublin; Karen Fallon, aged 35, a Scottish marine biologist living on South Circular Road, Rialto; and Deirdre Clancy, aged 35, a copy editor of Castle Avenue, Clontarf, Dublin.
Mr Massey told Mr Brendan Nix SC, defending Ms Fallon, that prior to invasion he was briefed of the terms of the Geneva Convention and rules of engagement. He said he was told that intelligence reports "painted every Iraqi as a potential terrorist".
In response to Mr Nix’s query as to what was their "firing policy".
Mr Massey replied: "To shoot first and ask questions later. We were given carte blanche to kill."
Asked by counsel if this was in breach of the Geneva Convention, Mr Massey replied: "Yes sir".Mr Nix: "Did it happen?" - "It did, many times. Over a three month period more than 30 innocent people were killed that I know of."
Mr Massey, originally from North Carolina, said he joined the US Marines as a 19 year-old and served for 12 years before his honourable discharge in December 2003. As platoon sergeant he was in charge of machine gunners, missile men and scout snipers.
Ms Fallon, giving evidence in her own defence, told Mr Nix that she damaged the plane "primarily to stop them killing people and destroying their hospitals and waterworks. It’s OK for us, no one is bombing us everyday."
She said she honestly believed she could "make a difference"
and said if her actions "could have saved one life, then it is worth it".
The jury earlier heard that repairs costing over $2.5m (€2m) were carried out on the US navy supply plane which the five accused admit they hit with hammers.
The hearing continues before Judge McDonagh and a jury of five men and seven women.
Interesting article . thanks
I personally would not place to much on one persons statement either way
of more note is the genuine research such as the lancet study which has shown that a large number of US military personal had killed a civilian in terms that broke the geneva convention
we can always question the little details but the big picture tends to hold true
Todays last throws in iraq : November 4th
Nov 4 (Reuters) - Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on Friday, Nov. 4, as of 1240 GMT.
- Five Iraqi special forces troops were killed and four were wounded when their convoy was hit by a roadside bomb in Taza, 10 km (6 miles) south of Kirkuk, Major Yazkar Mohammed said.SAMARRA
- U.S. forces said they killed three gunmen and wounded two more when a gun battle broke out in the city of Samarra, north of Baghdad.DORA
- A roadside bomb in Dora, south of Baghdad, killed three people, hospital sources said.KERBALA
- A former Baath party official was killed by gunmen in Kerbala, police said.BUHRIZ
- Gunmen armed with assault rifles and heavier weaponry killed at least six Iraqi policemen and wounded 10 in an attack on a checkpoint near Buhriz, north of Baghdad, police said. One officer put the toll at nine dead and 12 wounded.TALLIL
- A U.S. soldier from a supply unit died on Thursday of "non-battle related causes" near Tallil, a major base in southern Iraq, the military said.
U.K. / U.S Attack Ireland’s sovereignty
The arrest of Seán Garland, president of the Workers Party of Ireland, by British police at the request of the United States has provoked an international outcry. Critics say that the arrest of Garland, an Irish citizen, is an attack on Ireland’s sovereignty.
Garland was heading for a WPI conference in Belfast, Northern Ireland, when he was arrested by British security forces Oct. 7. The U.S., which seeks Garland’s extradition on charges of trafficking counterfeit U.S. currency, worked with Britain because it did not believe that Ireland would extradite Garland.
Critics say that this amounts to kidnapping, and is a violation of Garland’s rights as an Irish citizen and a violation of Ireland’s right to self-determination.
The arrest received widespread condemnation, including from members of the national Legislature.
A letter signed by leaders of Ireland’s largest unions asked, “If these were serious charges, why did the United States government wait until Seán Garland was outside the jurisdiction of the Irish Republic before this warrant was served on him?” Noting Garland’s opposition to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, it said the charges were politically motivated.
Cuba and Venezuela said it is hypocritical that the U.S. would “kidnap”
an Irish citizen for a nonviolent crime, while knowingly harboring Luis Posada Carriles
, an admitted right-wing terrorist.
Fox News Paid for DeLay's Travel:
Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) "filed a report with the Clerk of the House of Representatives indicating he received free travel valued at $13,998.55 from Fox News Sunday for 'officially connected travel' on October 1-2, 2005, from Sugarland, TX to Washington, D.C. and back to Sugarland, TX. Rep. DeLay appeared on Fox News Sunday on October 2, 2005, the weekend after his indictment on September 28, 2005."Good old "Fair and balanced" Fox news
This is an interesting article from the Moscow times on the case of Flight Lieutenant Kendall-Smith (RAF) , compared to the sensitivity of the western style media , this article fires of the attack with both barrels . Obviously this is just an opinion , the Moscow times is not normally this agressive in its style or content , but its a must read anyway
By Chris FloydLast week, a legal thunderbolt struck at the heart of the grubby conspiracy that led the United States and Britain into an illegal war of aggression against Iraq. But this searing blow didn't fall in Washington, where a media frenzy raged over a White House indictment, but in southern England, in a military courtroom, where a lone soldier stood against the full force of the great war-crime enterprise, armed only with a single, rusty, obsolete weapon: the law
While Potomac courtiers were reading the entrails of the cooked goose of Scooter Libby -- the first Bushist honcho caught in the slow-grinding gears of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation -- in Wiltshire, Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith faced a court martial after declaring that the Iraq war was illegal and refusing to return for his third tour of duty there.
He has been charged with four counts of "disobeying a lawful command."
But Kendall-Smith, a decorated medical officer in the Royal Air Force, says that his study of the recently revealed evidence about the lies, distortions and manipulations used to justify the invasion has convinced him that both the war and the occupation are "manifestly illegal." Thus any order arising from this criminal action is itself an "unlawful command,"
The Sunday Times reports. In fact, the RAF's own manual of law compels him to refuse such illegal orders, Kendall-Smith insists.
The flight lieutenant is no ordinary war protester, and no shirker of combat -- unlike, say, the pair of prissy cowards at the head of the U.S.-British "coalition." Kendall-Smith, who has dual New Zealand-British citizenship -- and a pair of university degrees in medicine and Kantian moral philosophy -- has served three tours at the front in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is not claiming any conscientious objections against war in general, nor do religious scruples play any part in his stance. It is based solely on the law.
Central to his case are the sinister backroom legal dealings between London and Washington in the days before the invasion. Less than two weeks before the initial "shock and awe" bombings began slaughtering civilians across Iraq, Lord Goldsmith, the British attorney general, gave Prime Minister Tony Blair a detailed briefing full of doubts and equivocations about the legality of the coming war, adding that Britain's participation in an attack unsanctioned by the United Nations would "likely" lead to "close scrutiny"
by the International Criminal Court for potential war crimes charges, The Observer reports.But Blair and Goldsmith withheld this report from Parliament, the Cabinet and British military brass, who were demanding a clear-cut legal sanction for the impending action
. Then, just three days before the bloodletting began, Goldsmith suddenly produced another paper, this time for public consumption: a brief, clear, unequivocal statement that the invasion would be legal.
This statement was almost certainly crafted in Washington, where Goldsmith had recently been "tutored"
by the Bush gang's consiglieres, including the legal advisers to Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice.Leading this pack of war-baying legal beagles was George W. Bush's top counsel, Alberto Gonzales, who had overseen the White House's own efforts to weasel out of potential war crimes charges by declaring -- without any basis in Anglo-American jurisprudence or the U.S. Constitution -- that Bush was not bound by any law whatsoever in any military action he undertook: a blank check for aggression, murder and torture that Bush has gleefully cashed over and over. Alberto and the boys leaned hard on Goldsmith, who finally caved in and replicated the Americans' contorted and specious legal arguments for launching the attack.
Of course, Kendall-Smith knew none of this during his first two tours in Iraq: Goldsmith's Bush-induced backflip was only divulged in April 2005. Nor did he know then of the "Downing Street Memos," the "smoking gun" minutes that record Blair's inner circle dutifully lining up behind Bush's hell-bent drive for war -- as far back as 2002 -- and their conspiracy with the Bush gang to manipulate their countries into war. The memos, which emerged in May 2005 and have never been denied or repudiated by the British government, show Blair's slavish acquiescence in Bush's criminal scheme to "fix the facts and the intelligence around the policy"
of unprovoked military aggression. Confronted with this new evidence -- and revelations about the mountain of doubts expressed by U.S. intelligence before the invasion but deliberately ignored by the Bushist war party -- Kendall-Smith took the only honorable course for a soldier who has been duped into serving an evil cause.The moral rigor of his defiance has sent tremors through the British military establishment
, already shaken by the strange, unexplained shooting deaths of two military inspectors investigating atrocity allegations in Iraq, The Guardian reports. British brass are panicky about the Goldsmith revelations; indeed, the leader of the British invasion force, Admiral Michael Boyce, said that he now believed his country's military did not have "the legal cover necessary to avoid prosecution for war crimes,"
The Observer reports. Boyce added that if he and his officers were eventually put on trial for waging aggressive war, he'd make sure that Blair and Goldsmith were in the dock beside them.
Bush, Blair and their minions have committed a monstrous crime, and they know it -- hence all the convolutions, before the war and after, to inoculate themselves from prosecution. But with Kendall-Smith and Fitzgerald, the long-moribund figure of the law is re-awakening. It's weak, it's bleary, it certainly might fail. But now the conspirators will have to live cowering in its shadow for the rest of their days.
It takes a long time, but it appears that the birds do eventually come home to roost.
The huge house of cards is starting to shake and shudder, with this one and that one being poked and prodded in turn.
It may wait until the current administrations are out of power, when they are no longer actively able to conjure the cards and the media to cooperate, but it is eventually going to happen...
Fwoosh indeed , and i have so much agreement for your words that there is nothing i can add , hmm apart from another fwoosh!
drinks are on me once stack finally falls and we can get the planet back for the sane people
Throwing Stones Punishable By Death:
Israeli soldiers shot and critically wounded a 13-year-old Palestinian boy today.
The boy was shot in the Palestinian refugee town of Jenin as troops opened fire on a group of youths who the Israeli military said had been throwing stones.
Live bullets struck the boy in the head and stomach, Palestinian medical officials said.
Israeli soldiers were in the town pursuing Islamic Jihad militant Husam Jarradat, Palestinian witnesses told the Associated Press.
Israeli troops and Palestinian gunmen exchanged fire near the home of the man, and Palestinian sources said he had escaped from the area.
Jenin was the scene of fierce fighting in April 2002 when 58 Palestinians were killed in an Israeli army offensive.
Meanwhile today, Mahmoud al-Zahar, a leader of Hamas, said the Palestinian militant group will only renew a truce that expires at the end of the year if Israel halts attacks and frees Palestinian prisoners, according to Reuters.
Israel has released 900 Palestinians since the start of the ceasefire, but still has over 8,000 detainees, including hundreds arrested in recent raids on the West Bank, Reuters said.
Note to self, don't throw rocks at israeli tanks.
H, what would drive Israeli military members to feel they needed to open fire on rock throwers?
second note to self, If I find my self starving in New Orleans due to my country failing (for whatever reason) to get me any help
do not break into walmart and steal food as this could also get me shot
I can not think of a single legitimate reason G , this is kids throwing rocks
they cant even claim that he was a terrorists or anything
maybe the point should be do not question authority or they will kill you
now rinse and repeat
"Its great to be free.."
I can't see the troops doing this on purpose. I would like to give them the benifit of the doubt. I think people are too quick to judge wrong doings by soldiers in combat situations. I don't think we can grasp the concept of being in such a stressful situation with our lives on the line.
I do think it is terrible that this kid was killed, but I feel that with only the information in the posted article there is no way to really know what happened. G and H, you guys usually seem pretty reasonable, I dont think that witholding jusgment until more facts are known is unreasonable. H, if i recall correctly, i think it was you who were defending Sadam's being condemed by many based only on information from the media.
all this said, these kids need to go inside when the army rolls into town.
I agree , i wouldnt go as far as to say the troops 'wouldnt' do this on purpose
abhu graab and the recent taliban burning come to mind
but the essence of you point is respected and agreed with
I am reporting this as it appeared in the press , and you know i highlight 'stories' that show the other side of the argument
I do not by defintion accept or agree with everything that i post
I doubt we will ever find out th truth on this one
but please accept , that i have not just assumed it is true / or not true
i am just repeating the report as is
the one thing i would ask you to consider though NYC
of course i am in HUGE hypothetical lad here
but lets assume
that the tanks are mexican and they are on the streets of new york , looking for your brother or sister or whatever
i somehow doubt that the US kids would stay inside
the debate is complex i accept that , but there really is no denying that under my old favourite "international law" the land they kids are on belongs to them
and therefore the Israeli army is a foriegn force
I agree that they 'should' stay inside
but i somehow doubt many kids from any country in such a situation would actually do so
Italian Lawmaker Says Secret Service Warned U.S. That Uranium Documents Were Fake
11/03/05 "AP" -- -- ROME -- Italian secret services warned the United States months before it invaded Iraq that a dossier about a purported Saddam Hussein effort to buy uranium in Africa was fake, a lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by the nation's intelligence chief."At about the same time as the State of the Union address, they (Italy's SISMI secret services) said that the dossier doesn't correspond to the truth,"
Sen. Massimo Brutti told journalists after the parliamentary commission was briefed.
Brutti said the warning was given in January 2003, but he did not know whether it was made before or after President Bush's speech.
The United States and Britain used the claim that Saddam was seeking to buy uranium in Niger to bolster their case for the war. The intelligence supporting the claim later was deemed unreliable.
And other press says "no they didnt".
Yes I agree , it is up in the air
but if it lands head first , there will be one hell of a bang !!
Todays last throws in Iraq : November 3rd
Nov 3 (Reuters) - Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on Thursday, Nov. 3, as of 1520 GMT.BAQUBA
- A U.S. soldier was killed by a roadside bomb near Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, the military said.BAGHDAD
- The U.S. military said two insurgents were killed when a car bomb they were preparing exploded prematurely in central Baghdad on Wednesday. The blast also killed one civilian.BAGHDAD
- Police said they found 11 bodies in southeastern Baghdad. Some had been beheaded and some shot. There was no immediate indication of who the victims were.MUSAYYIB
- The death toll in Wednesday's car bombing near a mosque in the Shi'ite town of Musayyib rose to 29, with 62 wounded, hospital sources said.RAMADI
- A U.S. soldier was killed on Wednesday when his vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb in Ramadi, 110 km (68 miles) west of Baghdad, the military said.BAGHDAD
- A U.S. soldier was killed when his patrol was hit by a roadside bomb south of Baghdad on Wednesday, the military said.BALAD
- A U.S. soldier died and another was wounded when insurgents attacked their patrol with a grenade and small arms fire near Balad on Wednesday, the military said. Two insurgents were killed in the clash.
Who is evil and building nukes , well anyone who speaks agaisnt the US it seems
WASHINGTON -- President Bush begins several weeks of almost constant foreign travel today, heading to South America as the White House tries to discourage Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's nuclear ambitions.
"It would be problematic for Chavez to be in the nuclear business," National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley said yesterday. "We want to make sure that nuclear power is handled in a responsible way and does not contribute to concerns about proliferation and, ultimately, nuclear weapons."
On Tuesday, Mr. Bush expressed skepticism about Mr. Chavez's request for the Argentine government to build a nuclear power plant in Venezuela. He questioned why Venezuela, which is awash in oil, would need nuclear power.
"If I were a taxpayer in Venezuela, I would wonder about the energy supply that Venezuela has," the president told foreign reporters in advance of today's trip to Argentina.
Mr. Bush suggested that spent fuel rods from any plant that is built be collected by an international agency to prevent Venezuela from using the material to develop nuclear weapons. He has called for the same arrangement in Iran, where Russia would deliver nuclear fuel and then collect the spent rods.
"There must be total transparency," the president said. "I have proposed that we think of an international concept of sharing highly enriched uranium necessary for the running of a nuclear power plant -- for power -- with countries, and collecting that material and disposing of it in a reasonable and a sound way."
Mr. Hadley expressed doubt that Mr. Chavez would succeed.
"He's raised the issue of the nuclear reactor in a number of different forums and with a number of different countries," he said. "So far, he hasn't done very well in terms of getting any takers."
Mr. Chavez opposes Mr. Bush's plan for a free-trade zone encompassing the entire Western Hemisphere, except for Cuba, and has vowed to give the plan its "final burial" when Mr. Bush arrives in Argentina today for the Summit of the Americas.
this isnt about weapons, this is about pissing in Hugo's Cherios for the stuff he's been saying about Bush.
you know whats really interesting? no one gave a care about Mr. Chavez, until Pat Robertson opened up his mouth, and inserted his foot.
Now, the guys is being reported left and right.
Now that is irony
but there is the general message of this is what happens if you dare critise the US
look at recent history
the Plame case and libby
the list goes on ...
what do they all have in common
they critisised the US government
what do they all have in common now
A full scale attack on them by the US government
how dare they say bad things about the Neocons
how dare they
they must be evil and or corrupt
ERITREA-ETHIOPIA CLOSE TO WAR
There is growing concern Eritrea and Ethiopia are on the verge of war after reports of troop movements along the tense border between the two Horn of Africa neighbors.
United Nations chief Kofi Annan said in a statement that he was "extremely concerned about reports from the UN Mission in Ethiopia and Eritrea (UNMEE) concerning movements of military personnel on both sides of the temporary security zone as well as irregular activities inside the zone."
He added that the troop movements involved small and large military and paramilitary formations and movement of armor as well as air defense weapons.
The secretary general called on arch-rival neighbors Ethiopia and Eritrea to show restraint and put "an immediate halt to any actions that may be misinterpreted by the other side or jeopardize the security arrangements which they agreed to" in a 2000 agreement.
Mr Annan urged the UN Security Council and individual member states to "take decisive steps to defuse the escalating tension" between the two countries and offered UN help.
"The information that we have is that there seems to have been (military) movements in the adjacent areas north of the security zone and on the Ethiopian side south of the security zone," said Jean-Marie Guehenno, head of UN peacekeeping operations.
Russia's UN envoy Andrei Denisov, the incoming president of the Security Council for this month, said he shared Mr Annan's concerns.
"The news coming from the ground is pessimistic, unfortunately," he added.
The UN Security Council last week started discussing a draft resolution that calls on the two neighbours to implement a decision by an international commission on their border dispute.
The draft, circulated among the council's 15 members, calls on both parties to implement completely and without delay the decision of the Eritrea-Ethiopia boundary commission and to create the necessary conditions for demarcation to proceed quickly.
they share many concernes... but wont do a damn thing.
hey . arent you the guys that go and take on evil , front of the que saving the world from tyrany
america will always stand up for the week and defend the good ..
i just checked
your not their either !
maybe there is some other critiria these countries fail to fill
EU to look into 'secret US jails'
The European Union has said it will examine reports that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) set up secret jails for terror suspects. A US newspaper said such prisons were set up in eight countries - some of them unnamed Eastern European states.
The International Committee of the Red Cross has said it wants access to all foreign terror suspects held by the US.
Chief spokeswoman Antonella Notari said it was concerned about the fate of an unknown number of people captured as part of the Bush administration's war on terror and allegedly held at undisclosed places of detention.
The centres - known as "black sites" - were set up in the wake of the 11 September attacks on the US in 2001, says the Washington Post.
Those with close links to the intelligence agencies say the US government sees a compelling case for keeping suspected al-Qaeda operatives incarcerated secretly on foreign soil.
That way the suspects are not able to contest their detention in US courts and can be interrogated over a long period, they say.
EU spokesman Friso Roscam Abbing said that any such prisons would probably violate EU human rights laws.
"We have seen the reports and now we need to look into the issue and make contact with the appropriate authorities," he said.
"Experts from our Directorate-General Justice, Freedom and Security will make contact with those authorities."
According to the Washington Post, about 30 detainees, considered major terrorism suspects, were held by the CIA in the "black sites".
About 70 others have been delivered to intelligence services in countries like Egypt, Jordan and Morocco - some via the "black sites" - in a process known as "rendition" which was already public knowledge.
US-based Human Rights Watch has said that a study of international air flight data, covering the summer of 2003, appears to point to a location in Romania and a former military airport in north-east Poland.
The claims have prompted a flurry of denials.The question i ask is how many countries and major groups are NOT investigating the US right now , Italy , France , Spain , the EU , the UN , Bharain , Scotish Police even the American people themselves seemed to have picked up the scent .. the list goes on and on
It is like watching people leaving the scene of a fire and the whole world keeps finding embers everywhere they look
But dont anybody dare cry arson !
source : BBC
Iran : offers shares to low income families
The Iranian government has approved plans to offer share options to low-income families, the country's official news agency IRNA has reported.
Under the scheme, millions of Iranian families could have the chance to buy shares in state-owned companies.
Iran's finance ministry has been given two months to identify families who could benefit from the scheme, which was agreed by ministers on Wednesday.
Investors would then have 20 years to pay for the share options.
The move would be in line with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election vow to improve the condition of Iran's poor.
Despite huge oil wealth, the country suffers from high unemployment and an increasing gap between rich and poor.
According to official data, 15% of Iranians live below the poverty line, although unofficial estimates suggest that figure is much closer to 40%.
The share option plans are similar to a scheme put forward by the head of the Tehran Stock Exchange in June.
Under those proposals, about 14 million families would be offered the chance to buy a selection of shares worth about 100m rials ($11,044; £6,213).I do wonder if having shares in an iranian company would be wise , I can Imagine that one day your shares are doing well and the next day the US/Israeli bombs will drop , converting the companies from profitable to lumps of red hot metal but it does seem they are trying to think about the poor of the country and not just the constant verbal diorreaha going back and forth between Washington and Tehran
Maybe we will do body counts after all
About 26,000 Iraqis have been either killed or injured in attacks by militants since January 2004, a report published by the Pentagon suggests. The data, which appears in a survey compiled in answer to questions from US Congressional staff, gives no figure for Iraqis killed in US-led operations.Nor does it appear to differentiate between civilians and security forces
UK-based peace activists estimated this summer that civilian deaths alone since March 2003 had reached nearly 25,000.
Basing its count on media reports, the Iraq Body Count group estimated that about 37% of these deaths were caused by US-led forces and added that, overall, more than 42,000 Iraqi civilians were injured.
Pentagon spokesman Greg Hicks said the figures released by his department should be regarded as "a kind of a snapshot".
they asked for the body count? So it was provided, and now you chide them for it?
LOL we asked for a body count in 2003 G
and we asked for the numbers killed by our forces
, still they might tell us one day
UK : parliament puts the breaks on new anti terror laws
Home Secretary Charles Clarke has moved to head off a further revolt over new anti-terror laws after the government's majority was cut to just one vote.Mr Clarke's climbdown came as he faced possible defeat on plans to extend the time terror suspects can be held without charge from 14 days to 90 days.
He appealed for a vote on the issue to be delayed while he sought consensus.
Earlier, ministers won their slimmest majority since 1997 over plans to outlaw indirect incitement of terror.
The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and some Labour MPs oppose plans to extend the detention time limit to 90 days.
Civil liberties' campaigners say the move would effectively bring back internment.
Ministers say existing laws cover people who encourage a specific Tube train to be bombed but do not target those who urge attacks on the Underground network in general.
And they want people to be prosecuted if they know "or have reasonable grounds for believing" that their words will encourage terrorism.
Commons home affairs select committee chairman John Denham said the key test for the incitement plans were whether they would prevent young people being drawn into terrorism.
"As these clauses [of the bill] are currently drafted, they are more likely to make things worse than better," argued Mr Denham.Whats going on ? , civil liberties being protected by the conservatives !, Parliament having sensible and logical debates
Whatever the reason , i am just pleased they are thinking it through and not just jumping for the patriot act type of laws of our American cousins.
I Never thought i would find myself supporting the words of the british conservatives and now i have gone and done it for a second time on my site
Scary times my source : BBC
terrorism News quiz : whose back ?
It looks like Judy Miller isn't the only discredited war instigator who might be making a comeback.
Lets see who can guess who is back on the scene for the next round of taking the US administration for a ride
Someone who is a wizard at making up stories to push the case for a war with iraq , of course nothing he said was true , but thats not the point
Got it yet ?
You want clues ?
Ok this is a neocon-darling-turned-persona-non-grata-turned-Iraqi-Deputy-Prime-Minister, who .....was a prime source of trumped up claims about Saddam's WMD bamboozled the Bushies while pocketing $340,000 a month from the US government tried to sabotage the UN's efforts to put in place an interim government in Iraq helped the White House Iraq Group sell the war by regularly passing faulty intel to Judy Miller introduced Curveball, another bogus source on WMD, to the intelligence community
was accused of spying for the Iranians controlled a group of thugs accused of fraud, torture, kidnapping, and misuse of U.S. funds
was convicted in abstentia of embezzling millions of dollars in Jordan in the 1980s
still dont know ?
to find out
I like his name, sounds like a mexican food
lets just hope they dont fall for his bullshit this time
I am sure he is one we both agree on as being , a nasty piece of work who has only his own
and not the american interests at heart
in many ways it could be argued that 2000 americans would still be alive if it wasnt for his proven
the only thing he didnt seem to plan for was the fact that the iraqi's could see right through him and refused to accept him as a leader
whats he after this time
US Senate closed for Iraq debate
The US Democratic Party has forced the Senate into a closed session to debate intelligence used to justify the invasion of Iraq.
The Democrats said they acted because Republicans was refusing to hold a full investigation into the government's use of intelligence.
The Republican leader, Bill Frist, said the Senate had been hijacked by the procedure, last used 25 years ago.
In a speech on the Senate floor, Democratic leader Harry Reid demanded the Senate go into closed session.
The public was ordered out of the chamber, the lights were dimmed and television cameras were turned off, and the doors were closed.
No vote is required in such circumstances. Previous secret sessions to discuss classified material have always held by the agreement of the two parties.
My source : BBC
Just a ploy by the Democrats to get the media's attention back after President Bush quickly announced his nomination for the supreme court as a ploy to distract the media from the CIA leak trail which is a ploy by the Democrats to criminalize the Bush administration as a result of their voting for the war.
Thanks for your comments
I respect your view , and the internal ramblings of US politics is something i try to avoid
I am interested in the wider foreign policy and actions of the US administration
and I am sure the Democrats would disagree with your view
But i will leave the left and right of the United states to argue amongst themselves on this one
this is why i tried to put a bit from both sides of this debate ,
I personally do get angry at Bush and his government as they are the ones that are actually in power and making the decisions
but i do not doubt that if it was the American left that were making these choices i would be just as angry at them
Iran Gives Key Nuclear Data To The IAEA
TEHRAN (AP)--Iran's top nuclear negotiator Monday said his country had given inspectors from the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency key information about its nuclear program.
Ali Larijani said the inspectors, who arrived for a visit on Oct. 28, had demanded information on Iran's centrifuge technology - which can enrich uranium to low-grade fuel or the fissile core for nuclear warheads."We have provided required information by the IAEA inspectors. They demanded information in various fields, especially about P-1 and P-2 centrifuges, and we provided them,"
Larijani told reporters.
He did not elaborate or provide further details. The P-1 and P-2 are different types of centrifuges, the second much more advanced than the first.
Attending a student conference on nuclear energy, Larijani did not provide further details but said the inspectors did not question any senior officials involved in Iran's nuclear program.
Mohammad Saeedi, deputy head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization who was at the same conference, said progress had been made with the IAEA."The second round of the inspections has already started. We achieved remarkable progress during the past inspections. We hope the IAEA meeting in November will be a positive meeting,"
The IAEA inspectors visited Iran earlier in the month.Somehow i doubt that this will make it onto the nightly news , it's just not evil enough .... how dare Iran be seen Cooperating with the IAEA , what with saddam captured and Osama missing in action , we have to have an enemy !
H, maybe you should start a Iranian defense fund?
Every wonder why the IAEA isnt quoted singing the praises of Iran's cooperation?
LOL just showing the other side of the debate
though i have noticed i am getting readers from iran now LOL
on your point , I have also noticed that the IAEA has not denied this cooperation either
thats what they do , they dont get involved in the politics
not confirming is no indication that the cooperation did not take place
Talabani rejects any strike on Syria from Iraq
DUBAI (Reuters) - Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said in remarks published on Tuesday he would oppose the use of Iraqi territory as a launchpad for any U.S. military strike on Syria."I absolutely reject that Iraqi territory be used as a launchpad for any military strike against Syria or any other Arab country,"
Talabani told Arabic daily Asharq Al-Awsat.
U.S. President George W. Bush said last month that military action would be a last resort to deal with Syria, which Washington accuses of allowing foreign fighters to cross the border into Iraq, where U.S. troops are fighting a blooding insurgency.
Talabani, who also heads the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), had a long-standing alliance with Syria which allowed him to operate from its territory against former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein."I will not say a word against Syria which I owe a lot to. If I have anything to say I will relay it directly to brother (Syrian President) Bashar al-Assad,"
So that rules that out then
Video : The war on terror linking Saddam Hussein to America's WMD and civilian deaths
This video is not new , I just came across it for the first time myself today and decided to post it . (real player required ) please allow the video to load. It takes a moment after you click the linkBREAKING THE SILENCE
Did we help Saddam to get his WMD ?
Do we kill innocents ?
and other direct questions ...
Must watch video , take a look at a snip Here
at what happens when a government representitive is not prepared to be asked the sort of questions that a well versed reporter should be asking .
How can we justify our actions in the war on terror when those that should be able to give straight and simple answers to what led us to war are made to look as pathatic as this .
If your interested in what is being said in the clip and wish for further information , why not watch the whole progamme that the clip was taken from Here
Intelligence on Vietnam War 'faked'
ONE of America's top spy agencies faked key intelligence used to justify its intervention in the Vietnam War, it has been revealed. But the revelation was kept secret by the National Security Agency, partly because of fears that it would boost criticism of the intelligence services over the war in Iraq.
According to material uncovered by the NSA's own historian, Robert Hanyok, middle-ranking officers altered material relating to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Two US destroyers, Maddox and Turner Joy, were attacked by North Vietnamese craft in the gulf on August 2, 1964. Two days later, amid bad weather and considerable confusion in the US chain of command, Maddox reported that it had been fired on a second time.
Although its commander soon cast doubt on the reports, signals intelligence reported that the North Vietnamese admitted "we sacrificed two ships".
In revenge president Lyndon Johnson ordered air raids against North Vietnamese naval facilities and Congress authorised "all necessary steps including the use of armed force" to defend South Vietnam.
But Mr Hanyok found that timings on key intelligence intercepts had been changed and the "two ships" probably referred to the loss of two sailors in the first attack.
He blamed middle-ranking staff who realised the NSA's mistakes almost immediately but covered them up, not for political reasons but to hide the original mistakes.
At the time, senior administration officials cited the faked paperwork in testimony before Congress. It has even been suggested that President Johnson was so keen to deploy troops that he fabricated the whole episode.
Copyright © 2005
So does this make me feel better or worse that potentially faulty intel was used for reasoning to instigate war?
And better yet, does this mean that Bush isnt the Devil incarnate, because even the venerable Dem LBJ goofed?
oh i agree G , they all do it
doesnt make it right
check out the video i just put up
U.S. Ranks 44th in Worldwide Press Freedom Index
The annual worldwide press freedom index from Reporters Without Borders shows the United States, which is supposedly spreading freedom and liberty throughout the world, is in a fast decline regarding the freedom of its own press.
The report ranked the United States in 44th place, an atomic drop from a favorable position of 22nd held last year, and from a handsome 17th place in 2002.
The organization mentioned that several journalists were expelled from the country since the terrorist attacks of 2001.
South Korea, positioned at 34th place, is improving its image, partly because of open-source media OhmyNews. Any citizen in South Korea can be a reporter, thanks to its policy of posting submissions from people with all backgrounds.
OhmyNews was key in determining the outcome of the 2002 South Korean presidential election, as the nation's youth supported candidate Roh Moo Hyun. After being elected, Roh granted his first interview to OhmyNews.
Denmark also has an open-source news Web site, Flix.dk, but is regarded as years behind the South Korean site in terms of influence on public perceptions.
Open source journalism and Internet blogs are hooking more and more readers for every day. At the same time the mainstream media, or established media, has been on a steady decline by losing readership and subscriptions during the last years.
Repeated evidence of the media printing government propaganda and misleading information leading up to the U.S.-led Iraq invasion have surely made the decline of mainstream readers accelerate.
European nations Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway and Switzerland tied for first. North Korea was ranked last out of 167 countries surveyed.
A full list can be found at the RSF Web site
Who should be feared, Washington and Israel or Iran?
Following strong remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calling for Israel’s destruction, the Iranian Foreign Ministry issued a statement denouncing recent U.S. threats supported by Israeli officials.
On Friday, the Iranian embassy sought to allay the outcry caused by Mr Ahmed Ahmadinejad’s words, saying he "did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict".
"It's absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr. Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories,"
the Iranian embassy in Moscow said in a statement, according to Reuters news agency.The Iranian Foreign Ministry called on the UN Security Council to intervene and try and stop America and Israel’s war of words and repetitive threats, citing recent remarks made by Vice President Dick Cheney and Israeli officials hinting at striking the Islamic republic
"The Iranian nation and the world at large asks of the Security Council, how many sessions it has held to investigate and act on similar threats against UN member states, and why it hasn’t passed appropriate resolutions condemning these threats" the ministry said in its statement, urging the Security Council to condemn the "repeated crimes" of what it called the Zionist regime, in particular, the "massacre and terror against the Palestinians."
"If, for whatever reason, the Security Council is unable to redress the grievances of the Palestinian nation, it should at least pass the appropriate resolution to condemn the repeated commission, particularly over recent days, of crimes like the bombardment of Palestinian areas and homes and the massacre of innocent women and children, upon the direct orders of this terrorist regime."
"In Palestine, a durable peace will be possible through justice, an end to discrimination and occupation of Palestinian lands, the return of all Palestinian refugees, and the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state with Al Quds Al Sharif [Jeruselum] as its capital."
Shortly after the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003, numerous media reports, citing senior Israeli officials, hinted at a possible Israeli attack on Iran.
Those sources have been listed by Iran’s foreign ministry as follows;1. On February 20, 2004, Israel Radio announced that Israel’s F16 fighters could target all parts of Iran.
2. On November 24, 2003, Scotland newspaper said that Israeli officials told the United States they’re prepared for an attack on Iran as it did in the case of Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981.
3. On October 11, 2003, a report published on German newsmagazine, Der Spiegel, said that the Israeli Air Force was ready to attack Tehran and that plans to attack Iran's facilities have been finalized and are just awaiting an order from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to be carried out.
4. On August 17, 2003, a Washington Post report detailed a meeting between Sharon and the American President during which the Israeli PM called for a U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear power plant in Bushehr.
5. On October 8, 2005, The New York Sun newspaper wrote that Sharon’s threats against Iran were among the best news it had yet covered.
6. On October 24, 2005, Los Angeles Times commented on statements by the Israeli PM and his senior aids, saying that they’ve been using ambiguous yet precise language which is tantamount to a threat to resort to force.
7. On April 13, 2005, the Austrian Die Presse daily published a report saying that Israel has revealed that the United States would resort to the military option to put an end to Iran's atomic ambitions.
8. On August 14, 2005, Al-Watan, a Saudi newspaper, revealed that segments of the "Zionist" regime's Air Force were ready to attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
9. On September 24, 2005, Turkey's Milliyet daily said an Israeli parliamentary delegation visiting Washington urged the U.S. government to launch a military strike against Iran.
10. On November 24, 2003, Israel's Daily, Haaretz, quoted Israeli Defense Minister Shaol Mofaz as saying that Israel would attack Iran if necessary.
11. On April 29, 2003, Reuters news agency said that Danny Ayalon, Israel’s ambassador to the United States called for regime change in Iran and Syria.
12. IRNA bureau in New York revealed that Vice President Dick Cheney in a telephone conversation on January 31, 2005, raised the possibility of an Israeli military strike against the Islamic Republic, with or without the U.S.’ approval.
Israel and the U.S. have been trying to lobby international support against Iran’s nuclear program, claiming that the Islamic republic is covertly trying to manufacture a nuclear bomb.
Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, which Israel refuses to sign, has repeatedly rejected those claims as politically motivated.
Israel has long been relying on "strategic ambiguity" regarding the possession of nuclear weapons; neither confirming nor denying it’s in the process of or already having such weapons, but it’s widely known that Israel has been a nuclear state for several decades. Estimates of the Israeli nuclear arsenal range from 75--200 weapons.
Bahrain formally demands probe into Gitmo torture
The Bahraini Embassy in Washington has formally asked the U.S. government to launch an immediate investigation into torture, abuse and other brutal tactics used against a Bahraini prisoner held at its detention center in Guantanamo, Bay, Cuba, Bahraini foreign ministry source has revealed.
A Bahraini detainee held at the U.S. Naval base in Guantanamo Bay has written a letter protesting his innocence and detailing appalling interrogation methods the U.S. guards use to break the detainees held there.
Juma Mohammed Abdul Latif Al Dossary sent his letter to the Bahrain Center for Human Rights that reported his torture complaints.
Washington claims that the Bahraini detainee is member of Al Qaeda network and that he was in Afghanistan, Tora Bora in late 2001, before illegally crossing the border into Pakistan where he was arrested by the Pakistani authorities.
Al Dossary asserts that he’s innocent, and that he was on his way to the Bahraini Embassy in Pakistan after leaving Afghanistan nearly four years ago before he was tricked by the Pakistani forces who told him he could go to his country’s embassy but moved him from prison to prison and tortured him. Al Dossary was later “sold” he says, to the U.S. military.
Like most of Guantanamo detainees, Al Dossary is being held without charges.
'New evidence' backs Hicks's torture claim
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks say they have uncovered evidence supporting claims that the South Australian may have been the subject of organised torture by American troops.
In an interview with ABC TV's Four Corners program, Hicks's father Terry has detailed allegations of physical and sexual abuse of his son by American soldiers.
"He said he had a bag over his head and he said, 'Oh look, I know their accents - they're definitely American' - some pretty horrific things that were done to him," he said.
David Hicks also told his father he was given injections by the Americans and then anally penetrated with various objects.
Another detainee says David Hicks told him of being flown by helicopter off a warship to an undisclosed location where he was spat on and beaten before being brought back to the ship.
Former detainee Martin Munbanga says he spoke to Hicks about the allegations.
"He was basically taken ... by helicopter, to a place. They [were] blindfolded and there they [were] beaten and spat upon and he [Hicks] was abused and assaulted," he said.
Terry Hicks believes his son was flown to a location where United Nations conventions regarding the treatment of prisoners would not apply.
Lawyers for Hicks say they have found some evidence that the helicopter flight did take place.
They claim it is highly unlikely a detainee would have been moved without official authorisation.
David Hicks, originally from Adelaide, has been held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002.
This is clearly an isolated incident.
LOL very true
thanks for the comment and the Link Elendil
Many Iraqis feared dead in US attacks
US warplanes have continued bombarding the west of Iraq and hospital sources say at least 40 people were killed in the latest offensive. The heavy bombardment began early on Monday morning at about 2am (1100 GMT)Iraqi journalist Mahmud al-Rawi has said.
Witnesses said among the dead in al-Baida were people who had fled nearby Hsaiba to seek refuge with relatives after their village had been the focus of a US fighter jet air raid three days ago.
A hospital doctor in al-Qaim town confirmed that 40 people had been killed and 20 wounded, many of them women and children. A tribal leader said there were no fighters in the area.
US warplanes supported by ground forces had bombarded Hsaiba destroying six homes, al-Rawi reported. "While we were trying to attend to the wounded, US fighter planes began bombing the place again," he said We appeal to the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq (AMS) to help us as we are being killed in large numbers," he added. "Where is the AMS? Where are the humanitarian organisations?" al-Rawi said.
He told Aljazeera that the area had been cut off by US forces, who had blocked roads preventing people from leaving the village and going to al-Qaim. Al-Rawi reiterated that US fighters and Apache helicopters had been pounding Hsaiba on an almost daily basis.
"They are turning this town into another Falluja," he said.US statement
According to the US military, the army is targeting al-Qaida fighters in the region with precision-guided missiles. A military statement mentioned no casualties and did not identify the al-Qaida in Iraq leader by name.
UN rejects Guantanamo visit offer
UN human rights monitors say they will not accept a US offer to visit the Guantanamo Bay prison camp unless they are given free access to the prisoners. The monitors said they could accept some limitations, but not a ban on private interviews with detainees.
The Pentagon, which received the UN request for a visit more than three years ago, said the invitation showed it had "nothing to hide".
To date, only the International Committee of the Red Cross has been granted direct access to prisoners at the camp in Cuba.
The three monitors said in a statement that they could not accept the exclusion of private interviews as "this would not only contravene the terms of reference for fact-finding missions... but also undermine the purpose of an objective and fair assessment".
The three also said they were disappointed that the visit would only last one day, and that two other UN human rights investigators had been excluded from the tour.
However, they said they were confident the US government would accept their demand to talk privately with detainees.
Human rights activists have criticised conditions at the camp, where several inmates are on hunger strike.
The UN first asked for permission to visit the camp when it opened in January 2002, months after the US-led invasion of Afghanistan which toppled the Taleban regime.
The UN has accused the US of stalling over its repeated requests to visit the camp to look into allegations of human rights abuses.
Terrorism News milestone
Terrorism News has been running since early june this year and has just reached the mile stone of 10,000 hits .
This of course is nothing to the majority of blogs out there , some would reach this number in a day . But my Aim at the begining was to maybe reach 100 people with my posts and so having my site read for the 10,000th time is way beyond my expectations
So thankyou to everyone who has passed through , to attack me or insult me , or to question me or debate with me or even agree with me .
Even if it is just to call me a cabbage smelling american hating terrorist loving moonbat , I apreciate the effort :-)
Now if you could all do me a favour and hit refresh 90,000 times then i can reach the next mile stone without having to depend on reincarnation
I should like you to participate in my site
Please take a picture to your w.c. and send it to email@example.com
Thanks and best regards
H, you dont smell like cabbage.
I dont !!!!
damn it , I swear it said cabbage on the bottle
Keep up the good work. I check every day or so, even though the info scares me. Wish the American press would pick up some of this news.
Thankyou Pansyjoan i apreciate your feedback
I too wish the press would notice more of 'some' of this news, thats one of the reasons i started the site.
thanks again for taking the time to read what i post
it makes it worthwhile to get feedback such as yours
Saddam lawyer wants trial moved to The Hague
A defence lawyer for ousted Iraq president Saddam Hussein has written to UN chief Kofi Annan calling for the court trying Saddam on charges of crimes against humanity to be moved to The Hague."We submit to you our request for your involvement and your good office in the present circumstances to call upon the US authority and the present government of Iraq to review the legal status of the present court and to reallocate the present court outside Iraq, i.e. The Hague, Netherlands,"
said the letter to Annan from defence lawyer Najib al-Nawimi.
He called for the court to be given "independent and impartial international judges"
and also for pressure to be put on the Iraqi authorities and their US backers to recognise Saddam and his co-defendants as prisoners of war.
Mr Nawimi reiterated that his client refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Iraqi High Tribunal and again hit out at the obstacles placed in the way of the defence.
Prosecutors "did not hand over to the defence team a copy of the accusation list, neither granted us a proper access to our clients nor to have sufficient time as we had requested (for) three months,"
Mr Nawimi also complained of serious security concerns following the assassination of Saadun Janabi, an attorney representing one of Saddam's co-defendants, earlier this month which he blamed on elements within the Iraqi interior ministry
."Though they have denied the present governments involvement, the material witnesses, we have proved the involvement of the present government in the assassination, which kept all the defence team feeling that they will be the second to be assassinated,"
he wrote."We are in a very dangerous situation where the present Iraqi government has no control over our security to attend and participate in such a trial."
Mr Janabi was murdered the day after Saddam and seven co-defendants went on trial on charges related to the 1982 massacre of Shiite civilians from the village of Dujail. The case was adjourned until November 28 after all eight men pleaded not guilty.
The lawyer's assassination already prompted Saddam's Amman-based defence team and lead Iraqi counsel Khalil al-Dulaimi to announce Wednesday that they were suspending all contacts with the court on security grounds."In view of the dangerous security conditions in Iraq and their impact on Iraqi members of the defence team, along with the never-ending threats against them and their families... a decision has been taken to fully suspend all contacts with the Iraqi Special (now High) Tribunal,"
their statement said.
UAE Says Saddam Agreed to Exile Before War
Saddam Hussein accepted an 11th-hour offer to flee into exile weeks ahead of the U.S.-led 2003 invasion, but Arab League officials scuttled the proposal, officials in this Gulf state claimed.
The exile initiative was spearheaded by the late president of the United Arab Emirates, Sheik Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, at an emergency Arab summit held in Egypt in February 2003, Sheik Zayed's son said in an interview aired by Al-Arabiya TV during a documentary. The U.S.-led coalition invaded on March 19 that year.
A top government official confirmed the offer on Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Saddam allegedly accepted the offer to try halt the invasion and bring elections to Iraq within six months, claimed the official and Sheik Zayed's son.
"We had the final acceptance of the various parties ... the main players in the world and the concerned person, Saddam Hussein," the son, Sheik Mohammed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, said during the program aired Thursday to mark the first anniversary of his father's death.
Sheik Zayed's initiative would have given Saddam and his family exile and guarantees against prosecution in return for letting Arab League and U.N. experts run Iraq until elections could be held in six months, the official said.
"We were coming (to the summit in Egypt's Sharm el-Sheikh resort) to place the facts on the table," said Sheik Mohammed, who is deputy chief of the Emirates armed forces and crown prince of Abu Dhabi.
"The results would have emerged if the initiative was presented and discussed. This is now history."
The anonymous Emirates official said Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa did not bring the proposal to the summit's discussion because Arab foreign ministers had not presented and accepted it as league protocol dictated.
At the time, Arab League leaders said the summit decided not to take up the idea, citing league rules barring interference in members' domestic affairs.
It was not immediately possible to verify the Emirates claims that their offer had been accepted by Saddam, who is being held in U.S. military custody in Iraq and his facing trial on charges of crimes against humanity.
Officials from the Egypt-based 22-member Arab League declined to comment.
H, do you mean to report that the Arab world ALMOST took care of it's own dirty laundy?
But then fell throught because of beuro-tape and customs?
Man, I wish they would have, it would be nice to see them clean up their own mess once in awhile.
yup , thats kind of it
I wouldnt say it was their problem to solve , but they could have solved it yes
also of note is these 'seems' to be the second independent source that says saddam was going to step down/away and that real democratic election 'could' have taken place
saddam was obviously desperate , trying his arab neighbours and london and washington and nobody took him up on it
Aziz denies naming British MP in oil probe
10/30/05 "ABC" -- -- US congressional investigators said this week they had evidence that George Galloway had profited from the defunct UN program created to protect Iraqis from the harsh effects of sanctions against their Government.
The report said Mr Aziz, under questioning by the subcommittee, said he had discussed oil allocations with Mr Galloway and confirmed a letter in which the British Member of Parliament requested a bigger oil allocation."These are lies ... he [Mr Aziz] denied this,"
Mr Aziz's lawyer, Badia Aref, said.
"It is part of a media campaign aimed at smearing Galloway's reputation."
Mr Aref says Mr Aziz confirms that Iraq has given $A60,00 to the Mariam Appeal cancer charity set up by Mr Galloway, but only to help sick Iraqi children.
He says Mr Aziz, now in jail in Iraq, had made the comments in a questioning session some three months ago during which Mr Aziz was asked 110 questions about Mr Galloway.
The report said Mr Galloway personally solicited and was granted oil allocations from the Iraqi Government for 23 million barrels from 1999 to 2003.
It said Mr Galloway's wife received about $A200,000 in connection with the allocations and the Mariam fund received at least $A595,000.
Mr Galloway himself told the committee that he was not an oil trader and had never spoken to Mr Aziz about Iraq providing financial support for the Mariam Appeal.
He has also rejected the latest US accusations that he profited from the oil-for-food program.
Mr Aref says Mr Aziz refuses to "testify against anyone, including former president Saddam Hussein", whose trial started this month but has been adjourned until November.
Mr Aziz, a Christian who was the public face of Saddam's regime abroad, was arrested after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
No formal charges have been brought against him yet.
U.N. inspectors to visit Guantanamo camp
UNITED NATIONS: Three years after making the request, the United Nations reportedly will be allowed to inspect the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay
The BBC reports the Pentagon has allowed the visit, saying it proved it had "nothing to hide," after numerous complaints by human rights groups.
More than 500 detainees are at the camp, which opened in 2002 after the invasion of Afghanistan.
The United States said the three U.N. monitors will be allowed to inspect the facilities and talk to military officers but not the detainees.
Lt. Col. Mark Ballesteros, a Pentagon spokesman, said the International Committee of the Red Cross already was doing that.
The treatment of the detainees has been questioned, the latest charge was that those on a hunger-strike were being force-fed.
The Pentagon says 26 people are on hunger-strike and that they are force-feeding those who are getting dangerously ill from it.
Reprieve, a British human rights group, claims more than 200 are refusing to eat in protest of the conditions at the camp.
France gives Israel and Palastine a verbal slap
PARIS, Oct 28 (KUNA) -- Amid growing concern with the resumption of suicide attacks and retaliatory murders between Palestinians and Israelis, France called Friday on both sides to be careful not to succumb to the temptation of violence and to do everything to stop it.
"After the odious attack committed Wednesday in Israel (when five were killed in a bombing), everything must be put in place to put an end to the escalation in the violence which is taking root again today,"
Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said Friday.
"In this context," he added "we recall that the practice of targeted assassinations is contrary to international law," a blunt reminder to Israel that the murder of Palestinian militants, and often nearby innocent bystanders, is not helping the situation.
And France sought to steer a narrow path between the two sides and deal with equanimity regarding their concerns, echoing an Israeli call for better Palestinian control of militants and for the Palestinian authorities to get "control of radical groups and put an end to terrorist activities." (end)
Spot on france , they are BOTH well out of order , I often wonder if either side really want peace
Iraq Is Bush's Tar Baby
By Charley ReeseIn commenting on Saddam Hussein's trial, President Bush should have steered away from the subject of international law. Under international law, Saddam is right — he's still the legal president of Iraq.
Don't misinterpret any of this as a defense of Saddam. He deserves to be hanged, shot, chopped into little pieces, etc. His abuses of the Iraqi people are too well-known to be repeated.
Nevertheless, it is important for us to keep our facts straight. Saddam was not overthrown by the Iraqi people. He was overthrown by the U.S. Army. Furthermore, the invasion of Iraq, which resulted in his overthrow, was, under international law, illegal as heck.
Iraq was not at war with us. Iraq had not invaded us or even threatened us. It had not attacked us. Furthermore, it was in compliance with United Nations resolutions. That's why President Bush could not persuade the U.N. Security Council to endorse his invasion. That's why practically the whole world opposed our invasion.
It would have been better if Saddam had been kept on ice until a permanent government was elected in Iraq and we were on the way out. No matter what we say, this trial will be viewed by many in the Muslim world as a show trial staged by the Americans through their puppets in order to justify America's invasion of Iraq. President Bush said publicly two years ago that Saddam should be hanged, so there is not much point in pretending that he's going to get a fair trial. Americans are holding Saddam and his cohorts, and American lawyers trained the judges who will try him.
In fact, a fair trial could be embarrassing. When they try him for gassing the Kurds, his lawyers should certainly produce the U.S. Defense Department investigation that blamed the gassing on the Iranians. When he is tried for crushing the Shiite and Kurdish rebellions in 1991, his lawyers should point out that the U.S. government incited them to rebel and then stood by while Saddam's forces crushed them.
And, of course, they can point to American assistance given to Saddam's government through most of the 1980s.
Saddam's trial, coupled with the constitution just passed — though there are clouds concerning the vote — will probably aggravate the divisions in Iraq rather than heal them. As bad as he was when he had power, some Iraqis will inevitably take the position that while he is a blankety-blank, he is our blankety-blank, and Americans should butt out of Iraq's business.
At any rate, the president should not point to this trial as an example of international law. His administration has flouted international law too often. Saddam is not being tried by an international-war-crimes tribunal. He's being tried by an Iraqi court essentially set up under our direction.
One final point to remember is that the Iraqi people who hate Saddam are not asking for justice. They want revenge. They would like nothing more than for us to physically hand him over to the survivors of atrocities so they could tear him to pieces and drag his body parts through the streets. At the same time, the old Baathist remnants are demonstrating in favor of him and calling him a hero. International law is no more popular in Baghdad than it is in Washington, D.C.
It's too bad the Uncle Remus stories have been banned for political incorrectness. Somebody should have read the president the story of Br'er Rabbit and the tar baby. Like Br'er Rabbit, the president's anger caused him to strike out and kick Iraq, and now he's stuck fast, like the rabbit was stuck to the tar baby.
I don't remember who said it, but it is certainly true that it is always easier to go into a country than to get out of it.
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