Tuesday, April 25, 2006

What did hit the Pentagon on 9/11 ?(must watch flash presentation)

This is a well produced flash presentation that brings together many of the unanswered questions from that fateful day. I put forward no opinion on this production I simply present it here for your viewing.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great. Fascinating. Unfortunately, it's about 4 times as long as it needs to be.

And it doesn't even bother trying to address 2 very pertinent questions:

1) If American 77 didn't fly into the Pentagon on 9/11, what happened to it?

2) If it wasn't American 77 that flew into the Pentagon on 9/11, what was it and why would the gov't try to make us believe it was American 77?

April 26, 2006 5:31 am  
Blogger paKi87 said...

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April 26, 2006 8:42 am  
Blogger Goemagog said...

actually, this was pretty much ripped to shreds by popular science and a lot of other reputable sources. Snopes even has a couple pages on the lies and misinformation contained in the presentation.

Goe, not anonymous.

April 28, 2006 9:04 pm  
Anonymous Dave said...

do you have any "reputable" links Goe ?

If all of the 'lies' and 'misinformation' have been shown to the world then please supply credible sources.The snopes article itself seems to be just as much based in speculation as this flash presentation and presents no real evidence.

I am not saying that a Boeing 757 didn't hit the Pentagon , just that presenting one hypothesis over another seems a bit lame.What about the eye witnesses mentioned in the flash. You cant simply ignore what people believe they have seen.

April 28, 2006 9:26 pm  
Blogger Goemagog said...

except that people did see the plane hit the building, they're just not quoted in the flash, and airplane wreckage was removed from inside several of the pentagon rings, something the flash claims didn't happen.




Since the people who made the flash included information that is patently false, it's not just an alternate theory, it is deliberate misinformation/propaganda.

Goe, cares about reality more than anyone's opinion.

April 29, 2006 2:48 am  
Anonymous Dave said...

Which reality do you care about ? For in your reality you have missed the fact that nowhere in this presentation does anyone claim that a plane did not hit the pentagon.

In fact the eye witness accounts mentioned in the flash conclude that the witnesses state that it was a plane. The question is whether it was a Boeing 757 or not and you have provided zero evidence that it was.

Unless you were actually at the pentagon that day what your giving us here is a perception exactly the same as the flash.You can not claim to have any authority on something you didn't witness even if you try to do so from a third person perspective :-)I could equally claim that God created the world due to finding it stated in the Bible and you could return by claiming my point mute by bringing up Darwin.

Reality can only be shown by the presentation of evidence. You basic point seems to be that a plane did hit the Pentagon which is the very same point made in the flash.The flash even shows bits of plane being carried away So whats your point ?

When I asked you for a link I was asking for evidence that it was a Boeing 757 (eg a photograph of a piece of fuselage that could only have come from a Boeing 757 and not a smaller commercial aircraft)

From where I sit your just proving the maxim that reality is what you perceive it to be. Here for example is a link that 'claims' to prove that it was a smaller aircraft than a Boeing

Like I said before I am not claiming that it was or it wasn't a Boeing 757 where as your claiming that it was but presenting zero credible evidence.

Goe seems to believe his opinion represents reality.

April 29, 2006 8:26 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One thing Paki87 with all of your your " should be shot" and "dont belong on this earth" hate talk maybe u flew plane?? It is great that we do have the freedom to post comments and our oppions in forums like this but maybe lashing out in hatred for ppl who oppose your view is a little overboard dont u think? Its that same blind hatred that sends our children on both sides of this war into battle to die with guns. And yes i am anonymous cause u sound like a pyscho.

April 30, 2006 2:14 pm  
Anonymous Douglas JE Barnes said...

Sloppy. Very. Not one mention of the hundreds of residents who told the papers that they saw an AIRCRAFT. (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/ 26/150221&mode=thread&tid=25) Not one mention of the fact that the outer walls of the Pentagon had just been covered with a sheath to make them resistant to bomb attacks and bullet-proof windows had been installed for the same purpose (hard to miss as these were on the Discovery Channel). Not one mention of the photos of light poles leading up to the Pentagon that were chopped down like trees - on either side of the street. That is to say, far enough apart that only a commercial airliner could have done it.

( Sorry Djeb ,I had to cut and paste your comment from Haloscan so this is a copy . _H_ )

May 02, 2006 6:46 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

The last anonymous

Your correct in fact Paki87 is breaking our posting policy so his message has been deleted.

If He wishes to post his point again without the personal attacks then he is welcome.

May 02, 2006 7:16 pm  
Blogger A Great American said...

I don't know exactly what happened on 9/11 but i sat and watch a variety of news channels that day and i did hear a lot of stuff about the devils face being in the smoke of the trade towers. The person who thought of this conspiracy theory is trying to say it was a missle that hit it, or a bomb hit it, i don't care what it was, it killed people trying to do their job so they can go to dairy queen or an amusement park with their family after work or something and someone or a group killed them because their beliefs say we are bad. the video is pointless, people died either way.

May 06, 2006 1:53 am  
Blogger Jack said...

When I see entries like this one in blogs like this, I understand the real mindset of the blog creator.

Silliness always gives itself away, it seems.

May 07, 2006 3:37 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

And when the blog creator spots comments like these he can be assured that the reader did not in fact read the post he has questioned ...

try reading the post

" I put forward no opinion on this production I simply present it here for your viewing. "

If you can not manage to read a single paragraph post I would strongly advise you not to take your own analyis and opinions too seriously


May 07, 2006 3:52 am  
Anonymous JMN said...

Come on people, I cant believe people are still having doubts about the events of the day.

19 men (not all of whom's identity has been confirmed) hijacked four aircraft in a coordinated attack, and flew them into the White House, the Twin Towers and the earth. About 3,000 people were killed.

It was a plane that hit the pentagon. Do you forget that hijackers? Do you forget Khalid Shiek Mohammed? Why doubts about the existance of a plane when it is confirmed that 3 other planes were hijacked and crashed on the same day? Why have doubts about the skills of the hijackers? What about the assination of Ahmed Shah Masoud - leader of the Northern Allience - on the 9th of September?

I didnt waste my time watching the flash video, ive seen many. Was this the 'loose change one?' Whatever the case, the author does not consider the full range of options. If it was the loose change one, why trust something that gets its information from google earth, American supermarket tabloids and conspiracy theorists?

Just take the example of people who maintain that JFK was assinated by LBJ in a conspiracy!

Granted, manipulation has happened before. The Havanna explosion in 1908 (I think) that gave Teddy Roosevelt reason to go into Cuba. The gulf of Tonkin incident, which was never varified, but which gave reason to go into Vietnam.

9/11 was not a conspiracy.

The only unanswered questions are:

What were the real identities of several of the hijackers? (some used fake identities wile in the Us)

How many other attacks were planned for the day? (there is suspicion that 2 other planes were meant to be hijacked).

May 07, 2006 3:55 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

Oh i think there are many more questions to ask then that.

What is the connection between Osama Bin Laden and the Neocons ( "Tim Osman" )

What connection is their between the poilicy requirements of the PNAC and their previous statements such as

" the plan said, "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event"

Considering the considerable number of PNAC representives in the current US administration it would be unwise to just dismiss such statements

The reaction and responses of the US defence infrastructure was certainly lacking that day and there are many questions to ask there.

And why are so many of the named hijackers (included with photographs on the FBI web site) still alive and well today. I think it was 7 at my last count

Why is Osama Bin laden not listed as wanted for sept 11th at all in official web sites and documentation

I have (as I am sure you can Imagine) been through this debate many times . I am not stating that I believe any conspiracy did or did't take place , merely that the mind should not remain closed to such posibilities.

It was many years before the true history behind the burning of the Reichstag came to the publics attention

(note. This comment does not in any way defend or critise the flash presentation above I am simply pointing out that not all the questions have been answered to a point that puts them above examination )

May 07, 2006 4:53 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...


As stated this one has been through the mill a few times on this site . the last semi reasonable debate that went into a little depth can be found here . feel free to tag on their anything if you so wish

May 07, 2006 5:05 pm  

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