Friday, February 03, 2006

Plot to drag Iraq into War

From the Independent via Common Dreams:

George Bush considered provoking a war with Saddam Hussein's regime by flying a United States spyplane over Iraq bearing UN colours, enticing the Iraqis to take a shot at it, according to a leaked memo of a meeting between the US President and Tony Blair.

The two leaders were worried by the lack of hard evidence that Saddam Hussein had broken UN resolutions, though privately they were convinced that he had. According to the memorandum, Mr Bush said: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

He added: "It was also possible that a defector could be brought out who would give a public presentation about Saddam's WMD, and there was also a small possibility that Saddam would be assassinated." The memo damningly suggests the decision to invade Iraq had already been made when Mr Blair and the US President met in Washington on 31 January 2003 ­ when the British Government was still working on obtaining a second UN resolution to legitimise the conflict.

The leaders discussed the prospects for a second resolution, but Mr Bush said: "The US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway." He added that he had a date, 10 March, pencilled in for the start of military action. The war actually began on 20 March.

Mr Blair replied that he was "solidly with the President and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam." But he also insisted that " a second Security Council resolution would provide an insurance policy against the unexpected, and international cover, including with the Arabs" .


Anonymous Anonymous said...

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February 03, 2006 11:00 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

When do you think the "secret memo" that Bush is the devil will come out?

I'm always amazed at the "secret memos" that get "leaked"... because they always keep documented proof of crazy discussion that can come back to haunt them.

This is kinda like the logic in movies how the bad guy always sits there and tells the person he's about to kill the entire plan, so that when that person gets away, they can foil it...

In the real world, the bad guys dont do that, and heads of state dont keep crazy documents that could only be used to incriminating purposes.

P.S. Not really back, just had a second to drop by... good to see you still plugging away H... and I guess even you DJEB :p

February 03, 2006 11:07 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you g, it is almost beyond belief!

Bush must be fuming that these memo's are being leaked like this. Then again he doesn't need any official confirmation that he's a war crazed fool.

Either there are some incredibly stupid people around Blair, or someone who has a conscience.

February 04, 2006 3:04 am  
Blogger Expose 9/11! said...

Evidence proving that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks and used it as grounds to go to war with Afghanistan and Iraq.

February 04, 2006 8:34 am  
Blogger Voice 1 said...

It's certainly heartening to know that there are those with a conscience who are willing to leak these details.

Further proof if any were needed that both Bush and Blair were lying when they said they were willing to try peace first, they were never willing to do that.

February 04, 2006 10:59 am  
Blogger rare80s said...

The last recent leak of a secret memo was of Bush wanting to bomb innocent civilian journalists at Al-Jazerra (again) and of course the slimy Bush administration denied it, I'm sure hoping that it would stay secret. If these denials aren't just straight lies and plain wrong, I don't know what is.

It has been confirmed by lawyers in the case of the leaked Al-Jazerra bomb memo that the media reports are correct of the contents of that still secret memo.

The truth will always win.

February 04, 2006 2:03 pm  
Blogger Memento aka a moment in life said...

Breaking news... (It doesn't mean that it took us by surprise though!)

The world is sooooo screwed ! Iran has been reported to the Security Council and has one month to cooperate with the weapons inspectors... It reminds me of another story though.

I smell a rat again. Iran has a month to comply with the resolution, and then what? Let me guess... The coalition will ask for a second resolution that will allow the use of force, etc etc...

We are sooooo F&*%$d!

May Gods and Demons, Allah and Buddha, help us!

February 04, 2006 4:47 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indeed, may all the Gods help us.
Yet - this is our world and we must help ourselves too!
Many people have come forth with evidence of governments gone astray. It is all over the place.

What I do not see/hear is a solution. That is what we dearly need - a solution - who has one?
How dose the citizenry stop the forces of domination?

It would seem that some revolution would be in order - but how. It would be wise not to cut off our nose to spite our face - if you know what I mean.

What ever happens at this point it appears to require a bitter pill. So all I am saying is if the pill must be bitter - it must work!

Who has a solution?


February 04, 2006 6:32 pm  
Blogger said...

That memo has been discussed for a while in Britian, but not much has ever come of it.
Raymond B

February 04, 2006 7:11 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

Glad to see your still alive G :-) and greeting Djeb... whatever next ?


Either there are some incredibly stupid people around Blair, or someone who has a conscience.

Well I think we can assume the first but in regard to the memos it does appear that someone with a conscience has a hand in all these leaks.

February 05, 2006 8:08 am  
Blogger DJEB said...

When do you think the "secret memo" that Bush is the devil will come out? ...

Informal fallacy: diversionary humour. "This fallacy consists in injecting humour... into an argument in an effort to cover up an inability or unwillingness to respond appropriately to an opponent's criticism or counterargument." [Damer, T. Edward, Attacking Faulty Reasoning, p. 185]

expose911, you are totally off topic. Please don't come here just to advertise your website.

February 05, 2006 8:44 am  
Blogger Rhema said...

I dunno about any of that. but I do know that Air craft carriers were sent to the coast of New York Monday night 9/10 prior to 9/11. I know this from a very good source and the info was given by someone whose son was one sent out there.

February 05, 2006 1:25 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

I know a guy who once knew a guy who once had a son who saw this chick in a bar who...

Does anyone dare to actually be on topic here? Has no one read our comment editing policy?

February 05, 2006 3:04 pm  
Blogger Hype said...

plots to create war seems to be the topic.. 9/11 does seem to fit.. why is DJEB so against talking about the 9/11 or past plots?

they are relevant. more so with every document like this.


February 06, 2006 3:32 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

This is with regards to actual evidence involving the effort to create the Iraq war, not 9/11 conspiracy hypotheses.

As for 9/11, I have been very willing to talk about it on the relevant thread.

February 06, 2006 4:49 pm  
Blogger Hype said...

every war with Iraq is involved in conspiracies theories and they are all related to the right wing nut jobs running my country right now. it is very related. this document is more evidence of this conspiracy. the first iraq war, 9/11, afganistan, iraq2 and iran are all related. i can go further and relate all this to the contras.

it is all related to your country too.. the old empire.

"Documents From the US Espionage Den"


February 06, 2006 9:32 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

Firts off, the 9/11 "theories" are too weak to be accurately called theories. They are hypotheses.

Secondly, 9/11 and this story are related but only loosely. We could just as easily have someone ranting about Blair's poor domestic policies since the story is related to Blair. We are talking memos here; and this thread would be more producive if we would talk about them again instead of expressing a preoccupation with another topic.

Thirdly, I am not British.

February 07, 2006 1:34 am  
Blogger Hype said...

my point is still valid. this is all related. your take on conspiracy hypotheses is laughable.


February 07, 2006 2:34 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

If it is laughable, I would love to hear why on the relevant thread.

February 07, 2006 11:28 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

February 09, 2006 11:33 pm  

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