Wednesday, January 11, 2006

Swiss claim proof that CIA ran Europe jails

European investigators looking into allegations of secret CIA-run prisons in Europe said yesterday that an Egyptian government message naming countries where such prisons existed could amount to indirect proof of the claims.

But the investigators from the Council of Europe, the continent's top human rights body, said they were trying to confirm that the Egyptian document was genuine. The document's existence was reported on Sunday by the Swiss weekly SonnstagsBlick.

The newspaper reported that the document said Egypt had confirmed through its own sources that the US intelligence agency had held 23 terror suspects at a military base in Romania.

The message also said there were similar US detention centres in Ukraine, Kosovo, Macedonia and Bulgaria, according to the newspaper.

The message, a fax sent by satellite transmission from Egypt's foreign ministry to its embassy in London, was intercepted on November 15 by Swiss intelligence, the newspaper reported. The Swiss defence ministry said it was investigating the leak of the document.

Two of the European investigators said that, if authenticated, they would consider the faxed message to be indirect proof that the facilities existed and an additional indication that some governments in Europe may not have revealed everything they know.

The two officials said the lead investigator, Dick Marty, had received a copy of the document from the Swiss secret service and was trying to confirm independently that it was genuine.

The Strasbourg-based council began its investigation after allegations surfaced in November that US agents had interrogated key al-Qaida suspects at clandestine prisons in eastern Europe and transported some suspects to other countries via Europe.

Mr Marty is to present his findings to the parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe later this month.

Source here


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January 11, 2006 6:14 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, what you don't seem to understand is it's okay to "torchure" the bad guys. Dude, which is worse, a little torchure and I'm not talking cutting off fingers and such - or - cutting off human heads and blowing up innocent people via suicide bombers? The two aren't even on the same level - if you knew that getting some information from someone (via "torchure" - say blasting rap music at them for 18 straight hours) would save the life of your mother and sister, would you do it? 99% of the people say yes, if you don't there is something seriously wrong with you.

January 11, 2006 8:16 am  
Blogger Memento aka a moment in life said...

Torturing people sucks! Invading Iraq only because Bush's administation felt like it, was Wrong! Especially because He invaded Iraq in the name of DEMOCRACY!!! come on! Invade-democracy... in the same phrase???

I'd like to see all War criminals brought to justice...and not only Milocevic, Mladic etc

January 11, 2006 11:14 am  
Blogger DJEB said...

Anon, your post is a joke, right? First off, the torture we are taking about had it's start before the Iraq war. Second, the unnecessary Iraq war is the reason the abductions and executions are occuring. Third, torture leads to bad intel. Fouth, it is utterly immoral and inexcusable. Fifth, we are not talking about playing music to people, we are talking about incidents in which physical pain was inflicted upon people (if you don't know that, then you are utterly ignorant). Sixth, save my "mother and sister" from what? A hypothetical situation that has never occur and will never occur?

January 11, 2006 2:51 pm  
Blogger Gary said...

Compare Taoiseach's office/Jack Straw

January 11, 2006 3:04 pm  
Blogger Hype said...

more investigations..

the whole world will be investigating Bush before this is over.

January 11, 2006 4:02 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...


you seem to have far to much trust in what you have been told ( or seen on television ) , torture doesnt work , as Djeb stated it just leads to false intel ...

The effectiveness of torture( or lack of I should say) has been debated many times on this site and a quick look through the archives will present plenty of evidence from every conceivable source (including the US military)


I concur , nice site BTW , i like your photos , thats a great shot of the Eiffel Tower ....

Djeb , what can i add to that :-) , straight to the hub of the comment made by Anon and if he/she does not understand your points then "there is something seriously wrong with" them ..

Gary ,

great site and links on the renditions issue , if you find anything new please let me know ( email in my profile) and i would be happy to link to your articles


It will not be long before the list of countries investigating the Bush government will out number those that are not

January 12, 2006 3:53 am  

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