Thursday, January 05, 2006

Gentle Genocide

The score is tsunami 200,000, Darfur 400,000.

Here's Mark Fiore's latest: Gentle Genocide.


Blogger BULLSEYE said...

Great blog!

January 05, 2006 6:42 am  
Anonymous cb said...

Crazy stuff, huh? Especially when you consider one was a natural disaster, and the other is man made.

January 05, 2006 8:39 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

I am becoming more and more of a fan of Mark Fiore's work after each new animation

he has a way of using getting the Very serious across , wrapped up in a decent dose of sarcasm and humour

Great stuff

Ps glad you like the blog bullseye , hopefully you will pop in again soon

January 06, 2006 12:33 am  
Blogger G_in_AL said...


January 06, 2006 1:28 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

There are alot of factors G , the UN can only act apon world authority ,

If the UN was all powerfull they would have stopped the invasion of Iraq wouldn't they ?

there are very few (in my view) without blame for the lack of action on Dafur and that includes (but certainly is not exclusive to) your government

January 06, 2006 1:37 am  
Blogger DJEB said...


January 06, 2006 2:51 am  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

US indeed. Infact, when Colin Powell referred to it as a genocide, he was highly condemned by the UN because that word means they have to ACT.

H, I am trying to figure out if you actually are ignoring this, or just missing the duplicity that the US should wait for UN concent on Iraq, but then we should excuse the UN's lack of action on Darfur.

Either they are a body to be concidered or not, but we dont get to selectivly choose when to do it. The US, as many of my fellow citizens have pointed out, do not have the monopoly on being able to dish out justice and assistance. Now, if the UN is truely the "world body", and a "world concensus", then why are they not acting to stop the atrocity there?

Does the world not care? Do they like to see the people there killed? Are they powerless to stop it?

If all the above are false, then there must be another motive for the extreme lack of Action. I contend that the UN is a bunch of political misfits orginized (like a union) to empower the otherwise marginal nations. THe only problem with that is that it doesnt work. You cant stik 150 nations in a room and expect anything near concensus on issues that require sacrafice by those nations.

The ideal is not realized in the UN, and Darfur is a testement 400,000 deaths long to prove it.

January 06, 2006 6:13 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

G: you getting confused on what the UN is and what it does

it merely represents the collective view of the worlds nations

the reason Iraq was discussed at the UN is because MEMBER STATES brought the subject to the UN

the UN can't just make it own choices , if it could then all the complaints that the right wing make about the UN would be true

for the UN to take action it would have to pass through the UN security council and that would mean one of the member states pushing hard for it to be on the agenda

so the question i ask (of every country) but as your american i ask it of you

why has your country NOT pushed this in the UN ? why did you push Iraq so hard but fail to insist the security council take instant action on Dafur ?

the UN is not some seperate competition you have to fight with, its belongs to everybody , but it only works when you work WITH the system

I am no expert on dafur so take that as read , but when it comes to the UN you have been tuned to view it as an outside enemy and so does john bolton

if the UN fails to do something then the US is as much to blame as everyone else

infact often the US uses its veto to block international efforts

January 06, 2006 8:40 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

Powell was flat out right when he called it genocide. The SC (a group of 15 representatives of countries at the UN, not the UN itself) should have not only have condemned the genocide but actually used the word. Indeed, I commended the early U.S. actions.

"Now, if the UN is truely the "world body", and a "world concensus", then why are they not acting to stop the atrocity there?"

I really think we can expect more out of the G77 and the GA than the SC. It is a bit too easy to go after just the U.S. when the rest of the North is more than willing to ignore the issue. However, as the Flash video suggests, the American people, being on the whole very decent, would demand action if the media would mention it as much as whether or not Brad will give Angelina a baby or not.

"I contend that the UN is a bunch of political misfits orginized (like a union) to empower the otherwise marginal nations. "

I disagree in part. Many unions have the merit of being quite democratic. Ignoring the problem that you can "represent" democracy like you can quench thirst with a representation of a glass of water, did you vote for the old man with anger-management problems and an embarrassing lack of social skills to be your representative at the UN? How many of the representatives at the UN were elected by the people they are supposed to represent? None.

Are they all misfits, though? No. But unfit for their positions almost down to the last man (or woman). As for "marginal nations," I don't think you area saying that a given nation is more important or more entitled than another, are you?

At any rate, no, the ideal is not realised.

January 07, 2006 3:21 pm  
Blogger Rising...... said...

Not to be compared dude...and by the way, this is just the Goliath's way of revenge(if you know who i refer to)

January 09, 2006 4:10 am  
Blogger DJEB said...

Something I forgot to mention...

"[I]n the days after the September 11th attacks, President Bush issued an ultimatum to the world: Either you're with us, or you’re with the terrorists.

"Three-and-a-half years later, it's been revealed the Bush administration has allied itself with a government listed as a state sponsor of terrorism and one that the administration has accused of committing genocide against its own people: Sudan. This major expose in the Los Angeles Times revealed the U.S. has quietly forged this close intelligence partnership with Sudan. The Sudanese government has since publicly confirmed it's working with the Bush administration and the C.I.A.

January 10, 2006 11:59 pm  

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