The CIA is "without a doubt" running secret torture jails : European inquiry (Video)
A Swiss senator carrying out an inquiry into claims the CIA has run illegal secret detention centres in Europe has said he has no doubt they exist.Dick Marty accused the US of violating human rights and attacked European nations for their "shocking" passivity in the face of such violations.
"The question is: was the CIA really working in Europe?" he said. "I believe we can say today, without a doubt, yes." Washington's policy "respects neither human rights nor the Geneva Conventions", he said.
He cited as evidence the case of Egyptian cleric and terror suspect Osama Mustafa Hassan, also known as Abu Omar, who was allegedly kidnapped by CIA agents from Milan in 2003 and flown to Egypt for interrogation.
Mr Marty also criticised European governments for failing to act when it seemed clear they knew about the US policy. "It's not possible to transport people from one place to another in such a manner without the secret services knowing about it," he said.
"What was shocking was the passivity with which we all, in Europe, have welcomed these things."
"Europeans should be less hypocritical and not turn a blind eye. There are those who do the dirty work abroad but there are also those who know when they should close their eyes when that dirty work is being done."
Mr Marty said it was unfair to single out for criticism Romania and Poland, both named in media reports as possible sites for the centres. Both have denied involvement.
Governments across Europe had been "willingly silent", he said, and it was now time for Europeans to decide whether they would continue to tolerate the illegal actions of the CIA.
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posted by _H_ at 3:46 am
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any news on al-Zawahiri ???
Mr X
Well I am in fact English but thank you for your compliment anyway and thank you for visiting
Memento
I don't think Ayman al-Zawahiri was there ( of course i could be wrong ) but that is why i have not posted any such claims yet .
The story started with the anger of the Bajaur tribal people to a missile attack that they claim (and video shows) killed innocent civilians including children . I reported that here
Now that story has changed but there is no evidence as of yet that ANY Al-Qaeda members were there at all . In the main we are dealing with
Quoting intelligence sources, US media said it was a CIA raid.
But at the same time the official line is
The US military says it is not aware of any operations taking place in the Bajaur tribal area.
Which has the scent of a damage limitation story , IE a release story followed by instant denial
source BBC
These stories of senior Al-qaeda members being killed tend to come out every month or so , the last one was Abu Hamza Rabia
A point of note from my perspective
(1) the death of Ayman al-Zawahiri would have no effect what so ever on the operational ability of Al-Qaeda he is merely a figure head for the whole operation works using a loose disconnected framework where each cell is not only independent but is also unaware of the operations of any other cell
for example al-Zawahiri certainly would not have been aware in advance of the attacks on London or Bali
In all sensible terms Al-Qaeda as we knew them was destroyed in Afghanistan and the attacks we see today are simple , crude but effective copy cats who are inspired by (amongst other factors)the war in Iraq and sympathy for what they see as the slaughter of their Muslim brothers
If only the death (or not ) of Zawahiri could be seen to make the world safer (or not) it would all be a lot simpler
If we get confirmation of his Death then i will report it of course , but my major concern at this point is what a US predeter was doing firing 8 missiles at a house 50km inside the border of a claimed ally when Pakistan's military are 'claiming' they are not aware of any such thing ( which i find hard to believe also)
It just does not smell right , Its not like attacking a house in Iraq of Afghanistan , this is a 'Friendly nation' and if 18 people, including women and children are dead then in any western country that would be seen as an act of war
And now the Pakistani are angry at the US !!!
Great! Someone has to do something about these terrorists. We're dealing with people who want to wipe us out. It's too bad we have to send them out of the country but if we can get valuable information that will save thousands of lives, go for it!!! The blood on the statute of Liberty offends me and you should be ashamed! You are working for the "bad guys", the "terrorists". That's ok, we will take care of these killers. Someone has too. Do you think the Swiss or the French will stand up for once and do what is right? Doing what is right is not always popular. This is not high school so we really don't give a crap about what spineless wimps think of the US. If we must stand with a few friends so be it. At least they are true friends and they stand on the side of good and want to do what is right. Those terrorists are lucky I'm not running the detention centers. You'd better believe I won't give them sympathy. They kill, murder, behead, rape and terrorize men, women and children. They are the evil of the world and those who sympathise and even help them deserve the same treatment those terrorists put onto others.
You libs offend me because you you guys don't even see that you are helping the evil to continue.
Think about what side you are on.
Jeannie
Great! Someone has to do something about these terrorists. We're dealing with people who want to wipe us out.
I Agree and that's why we are trying to stop the evil Neocon agenda who have murdered far more innocents then al-qaeda could even dream over 100,000 in Iraq up to a million killed by the sanctions we placed on them , mainly woman and children . The evil of 9/11 killed 300o people but the evil of the response has killed 100 times that many innocents
or did you mean the other terrorists :-)
It's too bad we have to send them out of the country but if we can get valuable information that will save thousands of lives, go for it!!!
Oops , your confusing the TV program '24' with real the real world , it is easily done , care to tell me of any lives that have been saved by torture ? i doubt you can for it doesn't work , your own military commanders admit as much . However i can show you of all the innocents murdered by those who are so enraged at your barbaric treatment of the Muslims ,
The blood on the statute of Liberty offends me
Good , so it should it , don't you find it a little ironic that you have no problem with the torture of innocents as young as 13 years old by your own government but a bit of blood on a picture gets your back up . the use of chemical weapons , depleted uranium , the kidnap of people from sovereign countries , the anal buggery of prisoners with chemical lights . whats next Jeannie , you going to get offended when someone sets fire to the flag ? or are you going to notice the fact it said made in china on the label ?
Take a look at this picture of what your government has done to children , see if it offends you as much as a doctored statue of liberty . see If this makes your blood boil , for you seem to have no concern with boiling the blood of children , just so long as they are not American children here
As a side note maybe you should consider giving the gift of liberty back to the french , for it was the French who helped you gain your liberty but you seem to 'hate' them too
and you should be ashamed!
I am ashamed . I am dismayed that people still think in the barbaric way you do in the year 2006
You are working for the "bad guys", the "terrorists".
Oh i see , I didn't know George Bush employed me , maybe i should call him about my wage cheque
That's ok, we will take care of these killers.
Glad your on board , lets get the neocons impeached and charged with war crimes , :-)
Someone has too. Do you think the Swiss or the French will stand up for once and do what is right?
They already are standing up for what is right , they are standing up against the extremists that are in power in your country . Europeans have had to deal with terrorism for a long time , I can remember when Ronald McDonald was sending money to the IRA from the profits on the burgers you were eating , I wonder how many people died due to you not giving a shit about it back then ? hmmmm does that make you a terrorist ?
Doing what is right is not always popular.
Senseless Murder and war crimes are very rarely popular
This is not high school so we really don't give a crap about what spineless wimps think of the US.
I can see that , but wait for it , this may shock you ... the world did not begin on September 11th . I was working in the anti terrorism field probably when you were still at high school . Terrorism has existed longer then you have been alive and all of a sudden you think you have all the answers ... yea , of course you do
They kill, murder, rape and terrorize men, women and children. They are the evil of the world and those who sympathise and even help them deserve the same treatment those terrorists put onto others.
Again I agree and Again your describing the crimes of your own government
You libs offend me because you you guys don't even see that you are helping the evil to continue.
The truth will always offend you
Think about what side you are on.
I know what side i am on , think about your support of terrorism , without people like you they could not get away with it , go back an look at the picture of the children , do you feel proud of your support in their murder ?
I hope you sleep well at night ....
I'll have a go, too, if you don't mind, _H_.
"Someone has to do something about these terrorists.
What terrorists? "Terrorists" like Maher Arar? I know your ilk not only wants to reinstitute the fascist state by getting rid of habeus corpus and torturing people, but you also pine for genocide (hence your comment on nuking Iran). It's the 1930's all over, only this time Arabs are the Jews and your ilk are...
"if we can get valuable information that will save thousands of lives, go for it!!!
Had you ever bothered to read anthing other than the ramblings of that drug-addict Rush Limbaughm you would perhaps know something about gathering intel. You would know that you cannot get "valuable information that will save thousands of lives" through torture.
"The blood on the statute of Liberty offends me and you should be ashamed!
It frankly offends me that someone who abvocates the obliteration of millions of innocent lives would have the gall to tell us we should be ashamed of anything posted on this site. You are truly without moral conscience.
"You are working for the "bad guys", the "terrorists".
And you have some documentation that shows we are aiding terrorists that you can show us? Or is advocating American ideals like habeus corpus or rejecting torture now a terrorist act?
"Do you think the Swiss or the French will stand up for once and do what is right? Doing what is right is not always popular.
And what is right? According to you, it is rejecting habeus corpus and torture. You are a sick one.
"This is not high school so we really don't give a crap about what spineless wimps think of the US. If we must stand with a few friends so be it.
High school? Have you lost your mind? What the hell are you rambling on about? You do have your "few" friends, though: Islam Karimov, Saparmurat Niyazov, Teodoro Obiang and their ilk - in other words terrorists. (If you don't know who they are, it's high time to get some education.)
"Those terrorists are lucky I'm not running the detention centers.
Which terrorists? It hasn't escaped us that neither you or the government you so dearly love has ever bothered to provide any evidence of guilt. That's convenient. I think you are a terrorist. Yes! Let's ship you off for torture. I guarantee that with enough persuation, you'll say what we want to here regardless of what is true.
As for them being lucky that a woman who has publicly called for the murder of millions of innocents
(your nuke Iran comment on the other thread) isn't running the secret prisons, I'm sure your right.
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