Thursday, January 26, 2006

China and Iran warm to Russian nuclear proposal

China and Iran expressed support on Thursday for a Russian proposal to resolve Tehran's standoff with Western governments which suspect it of secretly planning to build a nuclear bomb.

Top Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, on a one-day trip to Beijing to seek China's support, said the Russian proposal that Iran's uranium fuel be enriched on Russian soil rather than in Iran needed further discussion.

Tehran has previously shown little interest in the idea, intended to ensure it does not covertly divert enriched fuel toward a weapons program. It has repeatedly insisted it has no plans to build bombs but has the right to enrich uranium fuel on its territory for nuclear power generation.

"The Russian suggestion is a useful one, but needs to be discussed further," Larijani told a Beijing news conference. He later told Reuters Iran was willing to show flexibility but rejected the "language of force", an apparent reference to the threat of U.N. sanctions.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan told a news conference earlier that China wanted other countries to consider Moscow's proposal. "We think the Russian proposal is a good attempt to break this stalemate," he said.

Earlier this month Iran removed U.N. seals on enrichment equipment and announced it would resume nuclear fuel research. The United States and its European Union allies say the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should turn Iran over to the United Nations Security Council.

But China said U.N. sanctions would only complicate matters. "We oppose impulsively using sanctions or threats of sanctions to solve problems," Kong said.

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Anonymous trucky said...

i opposes sanctions against king king as well.

January 26, 2006 11:11 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This deal will really piss off the Yanks and Israel, they need an excuse to attack Iran.

I'm all for the deal myself!

January 27, 2006 1:35 am  
Blogger DJEB said...

King king?

January 27, 2006 11:12 am  
Anonymous JavaBoy said...

I Still believe this to be a red herring, designed to temporarily reduce tensions. Iran still wants nuclear weapons and is on record as looking forward to the idea of a nuclear exchange between it and Israel. Though Iran acknowledges she would suffer millions in casualties, she also knows that Israel would no longer exist after suffering only a couple of detonations.

The terrorism movement is ultimately about destroying Israel and her supporter, the United States. Let's not forget that. The fact that U.S. troops are "next door" should have put Iran on notice to "play nice" with the world, but such actions are in conflict with her stated goals.

January 27, 2006 1:47 pm  
Blogger Voice 1 said...

Javaboy, Iran is on record as saying that it is seeking nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. There is absolutely no law against that, and attempting to implement sanctions on Iran when, in fact is doing nothing wrong in legal terms is completely wrong.

January 27, 2006 2:05 pm  
Anonymous javaboy said...

voice1, I am not disputing one way, or another, about the "rights" to nuclear energy. If you understand the process of uranium enrichment, you know then you are only a step away from using that product to build a weapon. Now, couple this understanding with Iran's stated goals and any thinking person can see what Iran is really pursuing. I'm not as stupid as I look; we both know this has nothing to do with nuclear energy. I wish it was. Anyone who thinks that nuclear energy it is the only thing Iran is interested in has another think coming. It's no accident or slip of the tongue that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stoked outrage abroad by dismissing the Holocaust as a “myth” and saying that Israel should "wiped off the map." Wake up.

January 27, 2006 2:31 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

DJEB . I think the 'king king' reference was an attempt at humour with the name 'kong' :-)

January 27, 2006 4:29 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

Javaboy the IAEA have no evidence that Iran is building a bomb and neither do you.

There is no track record of Iran starting wars with anyone and why on earth do you think they would use such a weapon in Israel when they would end up killing thousands of Palestinians in the process ?

I have said many times on this site in response to people claiming that Iran is building the bomb.If you have evidence that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon please stop what you are doing immediately and please inform the IAEA for they have not said anything like the claims your making here.

It is clear(from these reports) that even if Iran was not going through the rigorous inspections that are taking place that they are still a decade away from such technology. The enrichment process taking place has no connection to bomb making as well you know. The uranium that is produced is as close to 'weapons grade' as I am to being the next president of the united states (and I am British)

so please as you say your not as stupid as you look , the IAEA have performed 1300 days of unrestricted inspections of Iran (unprecendeted) and failed to notice what seems to be so clear in your mind.

If you have information that the IAEA does not posses then I am sure they would be delighted to hear from you .

If all you have is press articles based or intelligence of a similar nature to what was used with Iraq where Hans Blix said that every single piece of such intelligence was "100 percent wrong" then I don't doubt they would consider you wasting their time.

so could you either

(a) supply genuine IAEA reports to back up your claim ?


(b) supply the IAEA with your information so that we can all read about it in the next report ?

It is very easy to speculate but as you speak of yourself we too are not stupid. So supply evidence that is of the standard that would be credible to the IAEA or admit your clutching at straws.

January 27, 2006 5:10 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would Iran use Nuclear weapons on Israel? That would turn Israel/Palestine into a waste ground for generations if not thousands of years. That would be stupid and not even a case of "if we can't have it no-one can.."

The only country in the region that is likely to use Nuclear weapons is Israel, if they were attacked and were losing, I don't think that they'd hesitate to use Nuclear weapons on their enemies, even if it meant destroying Israel too.

January 27, 2006 6:49 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

Javanoy, you have only Iran's rhetoric to back you up - and it is the kind of macho rhetoric that even a 13-year-old school yard bully would be embarrassed to use.

January 27, 2006 10:18 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hopefully israel will strike nice nuke in mecca will take care of a lot.

January 30, 2006 10:51 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

Why would that be a hopeful thing? In an article about Iran you mention Saudi Arabia, so the only conclusion I can draw is that you are advocating genocide. Lovely.

January 31, 2006 1:29 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What other rhetoric would one take note of to get insights to what Iran may be up to? Would you have the world believe Iran is just "trash talking"? If someone came to you and said they were going to do harm to your mother, would you dismiss it as rhetoric while they were trying to break into your mother's home? Probably not. You would, at the very least, take notice and assess the situation as it unfolded and ultimately, take action. That is all anyone could reasonably expect. So Iran's president has stated his intentions clearly to the world. It is not standing idle either; it is executing plans to that end. Only a fool would ignore or dismiss it. The world ignored clear intentions around 1939 and as we know, there was a price paid for that. All I am trying to say is this: let's take notice here and not ignore the potential for another possible repeat of world conflict because of the mis-guided ambitions of those Iranians in power.

A snippet from an A.P. story published today ...

While the IAEA has said it has found no evidence of Iran's building nuclear weapons, it has refused to give Iran a clean bill of health because of unanswered questions over its atomic program.

Late last year, inspectors saw the document that apparently showed how to mold highly enriched grade uranium into the core of warheads, and it figured in a November report by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

Initial reports said the IAEA was given the documents at that time but the diplomats said Friday that Tehran handed them over only last week in a show of cooperation meant to head off increasing international consensus on reporting Iran to the Security Council over suspicions that its nuclear activities might be a cover for developing weapons.

The document was given to Iran by members of the nuclear black market network, the IAEA said. It showed how to cast "enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms."

Iran has claimed it did not ask for the document but was given it anyway as part of other black market purchases.

Meanwhile, Belgium's intelligence chief has resigned after it emerged that warnings from the CIA went unheeded and that the country's state security agency failed to stop a Belgian company exporting nuclear-sensitive equipment to Iran.

January 31, 2006 6:32 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

Sorry for the delay here . I missed your message somehow

Nobody is ignoring anything Anonymous . Let the IAEA do its job that is all I ask. this speculation is pointless , we have inspectors on the ground so lets stop the media speculation and let them get on with the job.

If the IAEA thinks Iran should be put before the security council then they will say so . we do not need pathetic lobbying from nation states , especially any state that defied the world by not signing the NPT and building a nuke in secret. that would be hypocritical

in regard to your document mentioned

would This be the document in question ?

Iran does not have the thousands of centrifuges required to do this and they are at least a decade away from doing so (unless you read the jp)

the uranium being enriched is of no use in the creation of nuclear weapons and they will not have any facility to enrich Uranium to a higher enough level until 2012 !!

so whats the problem . let the IAEA do its job.

sometimes rhetoric is obvious , Iran would never nuke Israel , the would kill they very people they are angry with Israel for (the palestinians)

they would also be wiped of the planet by the US / UK and Israel itself .

so what are you worried about ?

February 01, 2006 5:18 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

PS having looked at the November IAEA document I am sure that you will have read that although they had the doucmentation (which they themselves handed over) they have no means or enriching the Uranium to the level required.

you can try and read what you like into a IAEA report but if you take the whole document it clearly says that there is no evidence that Iran is building a bomb at all.

Thats after 1300 days of inspections

February 01, 2006 5:31 am  
Blogger DJEB said...

What other rhetoric would one take note of to get insights to what Iran may be up to? Would you have the world believe Iran is just "trash talking"?

Because common sense says that if you attack a nation that has 200+ nuclear warheads that is backed by another nation that has more than 2000 nuclear warheads, you will get your ass handed to you on a plate. This is obvious.

The mom schtick - faulty analogy.

The Nazi schtick - faulty analogy.

February 02, 2006 1:43 am  

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