Friday, December 16, 2005

Watch Kidnap and Torture American Style ( Video )

Kidnap and Torture American Style follows the stories of terror suspects. Some of them are British residents, who have been snatched from streets and airports throughout the world before being flown to the Middle-East and Africa. In countries such as Syria and Egypt, they undergo agonising ordeals before being incarcerated, without ever facing an open trial.

Testimonies from those suspects allege that Britain has a key role in these shady operations from supplying intelligence information on which interrogations are based, to ordering their arrest and detention.

This is a must watch video (real player required)

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My source for this video


Anonymous Anonymous said...

interesting. could have been more effective without all that tabloid-style editing and framing. still, interesting.

December 16, 2005 5:43 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

Thankyou for your feedback it is much appreciated

Of course the Program was produced with the UK viewers in mind so i wonder how it comes across to the wider world

If you have not seen it and you have time , check out the 'history of the CIA' video a few posts down

thanks for visiting

December 16, 2005 5:48 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right, the viewership in mind was definitely the UK audience. When I was in London, I found that a lot of the news tended to come across with a sort of "Hard Copy" or "Inside Edition" sort of vibe, which really does take advantage of the tabloid format. It seems like that form of news making has a little more credance there. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that... it's just different is all. I guess I just think that the subject matter is interesting enough that you really don't need to overdo it. But i suppose sometimes you have to hit people over the head in order for them to get the message.

December 16, 2005 6:26 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

Yes sometimes you do have to hit people over the head.

I am no fan of 'tabloid-style' broadcasts or articles for that matter . Sadly i too am prone to such methods ( check out the picture i used with this post) for it is often the only way to get your 'target' audience to click on you (or change TV channel)

What matters most to me is the factual accuracy of the report or program , for the flashing lights and side show may well bring people in but lack of factual accuracy will drive them out quicker

There are a few dozen such programs in the archive here and i am considering putting them all in once place for those that have time to watch .

Thanks again for you feedback

December 16, 2005 8:16 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

lol, that is amazing that I used "tabloid" in the email to you, and someone else did too.

This thing is laughable. They only thing they didnt do is say something like

"Then the American stole his sole and put it in a jar with others before finally letting his lifeless body go"...

I love this stuff.

Information Clearing House
"News You Wont Find on CNN"
because it's not true and cannot be substantiated

And you wonder why they call it the "kook fringe"?

December 16, 2005 10:04 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

G "because it's not true and cannot be substantiated"

erm it cant be both , if it can not be substantiated how would you know its not true ?

you have no evidence that its true so you claim that it must be false ?

So for clarity what is it you doubt , is it the interview with the gentleman who came up with the concept of renditions ? or is it the interview with the UK government lawyer ? the quotes from the Italian authorities ?

there is no lack of checkable 'claims' in the report

you see in my view anonymous was judging the style of presentation not the content (if i am wrong i am sure he or she will correct me )

I recall no opinion mentioned on the 'content' , for like most people G , He/She 'appears' to be keeping an open mind

what evidence do you have to reject the claims ?

saying it 'IS' false or untrue has no meaning unless you supply evidence to counter the claim

December 16, 2005 11:06 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

well, I think the entire recap of the kidnapping from the "frightened witness" who happened to quickly run and tell an Imam (spelling?) is shaky enough, but then the recounting itself is just ridiculous.

How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight...

Sure, if I asked the guys down the street to do it, it would probably look much like this... but the nifty editing of the interviews left out during this part the guy who created "extreme rendition" said "it would never happen like this... with a van and injections and such"....

It is just so much crap. They get one fact, but cant run with it, so they spoof it up to try and make it compelling, and in doing so, ruin it.

December 17, 2005 4:55 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

"How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight..."

the CIA , MI6 , MOSSAD , the list is endless

try here

quite often they fail to appply to the high standards we expect of such agencies , if you ever find a copy try reading 'spy catcher' by peter wright (ex MI5) the cock ups are beyond belief

I am not saying that these facts are true , I will say that this style of kidnap is happening and Italy is just one example of where the CIA has been caught out

There is no way that you or I can verify the exact details in the report , but dont be fooled into thinking these kidnappings ( now called “extraordinary rendition” )are taking place

December 17, 2005 5:25 pm  
Blogger DJEB said...

"if it can not be substantiated how would you know its not true ?

you have no evidence that its true so you claim that it must be false ?"

It might have been a "figurative measure."

"How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight..."

I can think of some. But then again, I haven't forgotten the case of Maher Arar and Moazzam Begg.

December 18, 2005 4:48 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

on a side note

I have much praise for Moazzam Begg , spending 3 years in Gitmo for no crime what so ever , being released and being so clearly innocent that the British police have had no need to question him on anything since he was released

Yet still , he makes his voice heard for the release of the Christian hostages
and for peace in Iraq

How the US thought Begg man was a terrorist is beyond me !

December 18, 2005 5:40 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

LOL Begg man = Begg or 'this man'

not both

December 18, 2005 5:44 am  

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