The Iraq war by Numbers
There has been ....$204.4 billion spent , thats the cost to the US of the war so far. The UK's bill up until March 2005 was £3.1 billion
2,339 Allied troops killed
98 UK troops killed
30,000 Estimated Iraqi civilian deaths
0 Number of WMDs found
8 per cent of Iraqi children suffering acute malnutrition
$35,819m World Bank estimated cost of reconstruction
53,470 Iraqi insurgents killed
67 per cent Iraqis who feel less secure because of occupation
$343 Average monthly salary for an Iraqi soldier. Average monthly salary for an American soldier in Iraq: $4,160.75
66 journalists killed in Iraq. Journalists killed during Vietnam war: 63
5 foreign civilians kidnapped per month
47 per cent Iraqis who never have enough electricity
20 casualties per month from unexploded mines
20 per cent Inflation rate 2005
25-40 per cent Estimated unemployment rate, Nov 2005
251 Foreigners kidnapped
70 per cent of Iraqi's whose sewage system rarely works
183,000 British and American troops are still in action in Iraq. There are 162,000 US troops and 8,000 British with 13,000 from other nations
90 Daily attacks by insurgents in Nov '05. In Jun '03: 8
82 per centIraqis who are "strongly opposed" to presence of coalition troops
15,955 US troops wounded in action
Of course many of these numbers are disputed but usually due to the estimates being too low , I dont vouch for any of these numbers. I am just printing them exactly as they appear in the source The Independent
posted by _H_ at 5:10 am
14 Comments:
Just have to ask. Do all the numbers about the war include the 8 years of the Clinton Admin.? Remember we were doing the no fly thing...bombing weekly. Did you care when it was a Democrat in charge . How many people did we kill before George W. did you speak up then. Are you really concerned about the statistics or do you just dislike the fact that W has accomplished more with his version of the war than Clinton?
Greetings Anonymous , I am not American and would and did judge clinton just as harsh
you ask if i spoke up then and the answer is YES , I was disgusted by the sanctions placed on Iraq that may have killed upto one million people ..
Please do not assume i even care about american politics i do not
The life of a child (any child) has more value then who might win the 2008 election , please leave your rhetoric at the door
Everyone knows that Bush has screwed up. Everyone knows that Clinton screwed up. Everyone knows that Bush Sr. before him, and Regan before him... they all screwed up. Heck, you can trace this back pretty darned far. The real concern now is trying to end this thing, and to get the people of Iraq back to a position where they have clean running hot and cold water, where they can walk down their streets without having to run a gauntlet of tracer fire, where kids can safely go back to schools...
I'm not a fan of what has gone down here by any means. But what it comes down to, is that the US Government, regardless of which administration, has now effectively "bought" Iraq. You broke it, you bought it kind of deal.
CB
A great comment (in my view) as you said "You broke it, you bought it"
It is fair to say that Many US administrations brought us to the point we have now reached , though i do think that the 'current' administration has broken the record for failing to understand and respond correctly to the problems of the middle east
The damage done to Iraq and to the trust and faith of the American people will take a very long time to repair .
But that is not the priority , as you state very clearly , whats is important right now is to
"get the people of Iraq back to a position where they have clean running hot and cold water, where they can walk down their streets without having to run a gauntlet of tracer fire, where kids can safely go back to schools..."
we can worry about the political Catastrophe later
Thankyou for visiting
Bottom Line:
Terrorist acts in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Play your stats game all you want.
Cost of security? Priceless.
Anonymous,
Do you really believe the war in Iraq has been a good thing? Nearly 85,000 Iraqis killed, and nearly 2500 Allied soldiers killed. Hmm sounds successful. The reason I say this is from your comment: "do you just dislike the fact that W has accomplished more with his version of the war than Clinton?" Honestly... if you believe this war has been successful, you need to have your head examined, just look at the numbers above. You critize _H_ for, so you think, being to harsh to Republicans and weak on Democrats, yet you blindly accept the actions and decisions of the worst US president in history. Come on, nothing has been "accomplished" by this war.
stringman...
Really? So the patriot act raping you of your freedom and privacy was worth it? A phony war killing thousands of people was worth your safety? Ok... fine. But what caused this terrorism...Your President. And past Presidents. You think terrorist hate freedom, what freedom? There is no freedom in America anymore. Terrorists hate America for supporting Israel, having troops in Saudi Arabia, supporting the Taliban against the Soviets and then screwing them, and for being terrorists yourselves. O sorry, you dont call it terrorism you call it regime change, or else you just dont hear about it... heres a little list of American terrorist campaigns.
China- 45-46,50-53
Korea- 50-53
Guatemala- 54, 60, 67-69
Indonesia- 58
Cuba- 59-61
Congo- 64
Peru- 65
Laos- 64-73
Cambodia- 69-70
Lebanon- 83-84
Grenada- 83
Libya- 86
El Salvador- most of the 80's
Nicaragua- most of the 80's
Panama- 1989
Bosnia- 1995
Sudan- 1998
Yugoslavia- 1999
Iraq- 1991-20??
Afghanistan- 1998, 2001-20??
So whether you agree with those being terrorist actions or not, innocent people died. Children, nuns, wives, fathers, sons, cripples, the elderly, priests... just innocent people died because of US bombs. So really, is that not the same thing that happened on sept 11. hmm ok.
It is too early to know what the political reprecussions of the Iraq war will be. The blowback from this, five, ten, fifteen years from now could be catastrophic. The reality is, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. What the US government has essentially done with this war is to create future terrorists. How do you think the young children who were robbed of their childhoods and robbed of their fathers/brothers/sisters/mothers, etc. are going to feel about this a few years from now when they get older? This is one of the ways that terror groups recruit, by picking up on people's pain and exploiting it, brainwashing them. The US government says they did this for national security, when in reality, it looks like they just created thousands more potentially dangerous soldiers for terror.
By the way, personal security, acquired from the deaths of thousands of innocent people isn't something to be proud of.
Thankyou for your comments everyone . I had to double check that stringman wasn't actually called 'Strawman' for he certainly seems to believe the "we are safer" rhetoric
Living in London I can assure him that 52 people would still be alive today if it was not for the policies of his government and mine
Fitzy : yes we did try to tell Blair but his mind was already made up . Most of the country (as you know) was against the war but since when has a democractic government actually listened to the voice of the people ...
... its currently around the same perecentage of Iraqis that are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition forces in iraq (82%)
So it seems we have exported western democracy to them , for their voice is not heard either(sarcasm)
CB : It is hard to add anything to your comment , for my view is identical to yours , it is basic common sense and logic that shows you to be correct , but alas some people still dont get it
we are not safer at all and the damage being done today will still be haunting us decades from now
Thanks for that, Stringman. By that non sequitur, we could say the Iraq War has done quite a lot.
Massive comet or meteor strikes in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Ebola outbreaks in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Giant monster attacks in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
What twadle.
And to think the Left is losing...
I suppose you think it is all a conspiracy cooked up by the evil Bush administration.
Fine, stay the hell out of my country and its business.
Tell you what, how about you commenting on your OWN country and leave the US bashing for the Democrats, that seems to be all they are good for.
And to think 40% of the people believe nonsense such as this.
The left is losing, and people like you are reason #1.
Keep talking, every word ads another voter for the right.
BTW, dont even bother responding, I will not pollute the Internet with another visit here.
LOL , welcome to my happy home
I will stay out of "your country and its business" when "your country" stays out of other countries business
I am glad to see you couldnt dispute any of the above facts so you decided to attack me instead
welcome to the real world outside your country
if you dont like it maybe you should switch on fox and slip gently back to the world you believe in .
do come again :-) I really feel you spent the time to bring something to the debate
"What twadle."
How would anyone ever know? You disproved absolutely nothing.
"I suppose you think it is all a conspiracy cooked up by the evil Bush administration."
Straw man fallacy. Look it up.
"Fine, stay the hell out of my country and its business."
When you stay out of our countries business, we will. Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.
"Tell you what, how about you commenting on your OWN country and leave the US bashing for the Democrats"
Well, genius, _H_ has done plenty of that as even a partial perusing of the site would reveal. And U.S. bashing? Only the totalitarian mind equates criticism of government policy with an attack against a nation of people.
"And to think 40% of the people believe nonsense such as this."
Number one, you have disproven nothing, so the only nonsense is your commentary. Number two, you need to actually research world opinion. It belies your claim that "the Left is losing".
"dont even bother responding, I will not pollute the Internet with another visit here."
I credit you with realising that your comments would be exposed for the fluff they are. Just makes me wonder why you posted them in the first place...
DJEB
Thanks for the translation :-)
I know you have noticed that this post is about Iraq so am i to assume that he views Iraq as 'his country' ?
my my , the empire is growing fast
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