Wednesday, November 16, 2005

'I treated people who had their skin melted'

The Independent Abu Sabah knew he had witnessed something unusual. Sitting in November last year in a refugee camp in the grounds of Baghdad University, set up for the families who fled or were driven from Fallujah, this resident of the city's Jolan district told me how he had witnessed some of the battle's heaviest fighting.

"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud," he said. He had seen "pieces of these bombs explode into large fires that (WARNING images are very graphic) continued to burn on the skin even after people dumped water on the burns".

As an unembedded journalist, I spent hours talking to residents forced out of the city. A doctor from Fallujah working in Saqlawiyah, on the outskirts of Fallujah, described treating victims during the siege "who had their skin melted".

He asked to be referred to simply as Dr Ahmed because of fears of reprisals for speaking out.

"The people and bodies I have seen were definitely hit by fire weapons and had no other shrapnel wounds," he said.

Burhan Fasa'a, a freelance cameraman working for the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC), witnessed the first eight days of the fighting. "I saw cluster bombs everywhere and so many bodies that were burnt, dead with no bullets in them," he said. "So they definitely used fire weapons, especially in Jolan district."

Mr Fasa'a said that while he sold a few of his clips to Reuters, LBC would not show tapes he submitted to them. He had smuggled some tapes out of the city before his gear was taken from him by US soldiers.

Some saw what they thought were attempts by the military to conceal the use of incendiary shells. "The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah," said one ousted resident, Abdul Razaq Ismail.

Dr Ahmed, who worked in Fallujah until December 2004, said: "In the centre of the Jolan quarter they were removing entire homes which have been bombed, meanwhile most of the homes that were bombed are left as they were."

He said he saw bulldozers push soil into piles and load it on to trucks to carry away. In certain areas where the military used "special munitions" he said 200 sq m of soil was being removed from each blast site.

The author is an unembedded journalist reporting from Fallujah

I reported yesterday in much more detail the words of Dahr Jamail Here and as one of the few "unembedded" journalists his words and evidence deserve serious consideration


Blogger G_in_AL said...

none of those pictures looked anything like WP burns? All looked like flash burns from conventional explosions, and/or strait up trauma wounds and stuff.

Graphic yeah, but why the link with this whole WP thing?

November 16, 2005 8:22 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

becuase falluja has always in the views of many people been seen as a massacre and a crime agaisnt humanity

each photo or piece of evidence all mounts up to a huge crime

i personally do not want to see simply the WP issue brought up as a war crime , i wish to see all the war crimes commited in fallja prosecuted

this is all one thing G

my favourites are the people shot in there beds whilst they slept

the boy shot whilst waving a white flag

and the corspes left to be eaten by animals

did you know that the dogs in falluja have a new kind of deasese previously unseen due to eating corpses ?

November 16, 2005 8:29 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

did you know a neat trick the insurgents use is to have a suicide bomber wave a white flag so he can get close enough to troops to detonate himself?

Look, gory photos do not make a "war crime". You keep speking of it as if the whole thing isnt one big crime.

Those pictures that you linked to are regular old war carnage. They are ugly and disgusting, but I promise that stuff isnt a new thing just started in Faluja.

November 17, 2005 9:45 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

I just went through every photo as well...

71 total pictures, not one of them supports any of the claims of WP or other war crimes. The closest one is the boy with white flag... but that one is pretty subjective and would fail in court.

I only ask because to me, it seems like you are trying to sensationalize your point by attaching graphic photos.

November 17, 2005 9:52 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

oh I know G , the insurgants have some VERY nasty tricks

sadly thats the sort of thing they do

sadly Innocent people also walk up to check points waving white flags , it is those i worry about

and the fact this person MAY be an insurgant is not enough grounds to shoot him

even if you make a new check point 200 yards from the first , force people to stop at the new check point and empty pockets , lift shirt up etc

anything is better then killing the innocent

of course innocents will die , but the US moto has to be "we have done ALL we can to reduce the risk"

sadly at the moment i dont think they do ALL they can

of course these images are common G , i accept that , it happens in war .

As i have said to you often i do NOT want to see the actual troops prosecuted for anything here

I (like you) think they were correct to follow orders .

But Falluja is they best example of a set of war crimes that have been commited in this war

you know my view G , you know that i supported the war in afganistan and that i felt the war in Iraq was illigal

I WANT to see people punished for this crime , I want to see SENIOR US governement members charged and put in jail for this

yea yea , i know they will not be , to start with the US would use its Veto to block any UN investigation

but that does not mean that i should abandon my princibles and just not bother

the war in Iraq , the deaths of 2000 americans and 100 brits , at least 10's of thousands of Iraqis was brought about due to the desire of about 8 people alone

the rest of us were dragged along for the ride , the evidence was fixed , they liedand exagerated the claims to get what they wanted

even on the france / russia issue , people think they actually refused to join the US and UK

they didnt , they said that there is not enough evidence TODAY , they wanted to let the UN finish its work and then decide

but those 8 people decided that this was not good enough

2 more months would have prooved that saddam did not have ANY WMD and all these lives would have been saved

so if these photos , or the use of WP helps that case then i will push it forward

November 17, 2005 10:05 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

LOL would i embelish this :-)

is that any different to

saddam is working with al-qaeda
saddam is connected to 9/11
saddam is 6 months away from a nuke
saddam can use WMD within 45 mins

infact my 'photos' were taken at falluja , and do come from the battle

i do not personally claim they are directly the result of WP do i ?

there are plenty of photos of WP victims by going to google images and typing falluja WP

so by using emotion , yes i am being cheeky , but i am not taking a country to war based on lies

now who is the guilty party here :-)

November 17, 2005 10:13 pm  

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