Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Welcome to the Islamic Kingdom of Qaim

BAGHDAD, Sept. 5 -- Abu Musab Zarqawi's foreign-led Al Qaeda in Iraq took open control of a key western town at the Syrian border, deploying its guerrilla fighters in the streets and flying Zarqawi's black banner from rooftops, tribal leaders and other residents in the city and surrounding villages said.


A sign newly posted at the entrance of Qaim declared, "Welcome to the Islamic Kingdom of Qaim." A statement posted in mosques described Qaim as an "Islamic kingdom liberated from the occupation."

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now are these more "last throws" , or another highlight of a failed campaign ?

7 Comments:

Blogger G_in_AL said...

Once the "kingdom" gets bombed into a crater, it wont be as cute, and many other families wont be willing to send their son's off to fight for the theocracy that can only be built by blood of their own.

This cat would ally himself with the Devil if it meant sticking it to the US in some way. And Syria helps. He has no dog in this fight. He cares nothing for Iraq, nothing for Iraqis, only for fighting the US. Syria and Iran, Jordan and others just fuel it because they dont want to see their monarchies and theocracies fall in the face of a free people.

September 07, 2005 4:00 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

welcome back G , hope you had a good break

erm , "Once the "kingdom" gets bombed into a crater" . well lets just hope that this time we get the civilians out first ... new post up btw , some of that will make your hair stand on end

September 07, 2005 4:12 am  
Blogger _H_ said...

oh PS "This cat would ally himself with the Devil" interestingly is one statement i agree with , he used to despise bin laden , he used to teach his followers that al-qaeda was wrong , but he jumped ship , and not for the first time

i don't view him has insurgent , nor al-qaeda from my understanding of the man , he his a free for all nomad type in terrorist circles , and i have heard he already has a plan to take the "and he means his" fight to southern africa once iraq gets tired of him

September 07, 2005 4:26 am  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

its all about power and influence. These people dont really care about their religion or politics. Those are just useful tools for them to aquire power.

Honestly, once again, either the people kick them out, leave the area, or become part of the target range. They let these guys come into their towns because they bring money and influence, but then decry the consequences. Its not the wild west where roving bandits come in, and no sheriff is around to make them leave. The population welcomes them in with open arms because the town chieftans get money and prestige from it. Then they whine about the aftermath. The whole thing is just stupid.

September 07, 2005 12:54 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

hmmm . starting to drift away from you now G , civilian life is whats important here ,

there is no justification for taking out 100's or 1000's of innocents because the did not stop a bunch of armed militia from taking the town ...

to act as you say would be a war crime itself , it is not allowed under the geneva convention

the town of qaim has changed hands over 6 times since 2003 , the US the IRAQI and the insurgents etc have all taken more then one turn in charge there

we are the ones who are supposed to keep order , and the insurgents only take the town when the US forces move out to another town

so the logic is simple , the US should not have moved out of the town , not enough troops ? , sorry , it is your responsibilty to restore order after you invaded (geneva convention again)

need to move to catch insurgents somewhere else (sorry , you should have more troops on the ground) and once you have taken a town and have forced the insurgents out you have a duty to those people to protect them and to prevent the insurgents from regaining the town . if you move out of the town then blame the people for allowing the insurgents back in , then punish them for doing so , when it is YOUR duty to protect them sounds like a good reason to open up the hague for a busy session ..

there is NO excuse to punish civilians G , none , and if you are damn well sure that there should be , the arrest them , give them a lawyer and put them on trial ,

making them "part of the target range" is EXACTLY why the world gets so fucked of with US miltary tactics

the did the same in New Orleans with the shoot to kill policy

only a far right wing govermnent or a far left one would consider what you are saying to be ok

the communists would do this
the koreans would do this
the fascists would do this

but a civilized nation does not find excuses to class normal towns folk "part of the target range" G

there is NO excuse for that
and it applies here as well as there ,

if 50 more US soldiers die due to being carefull and saving 6000 lives that is there job

and to value these people so low , compared to a US soldier is inhumane

catch the terrorists , kill the insurgents , arrest the criminals , but leave the fucking civilians alone ..

maybe then , the press around the world will stop treating bush/rumsfield and co as the sick fucks they are

September 07, 2005 6:23 pm  
Blogger G_in_AL said...

I dont say to punish civilians H, really. To me its more about reality. If we played the game, exactly as stated per the Geneva Convention, every time, the bad guys would always win. You cannot defeat someone who will use schools and mosques as hideouts if you are not willing to strike those targets.

I will debate this later with you. I gotta get.

September 07, 2005 10:37 pm  
Blogger _H_ said...

you can not invade a soverign country as you claim they are breaking international law then
ivade the country and break a whole new set of international laws G ,

if someone is holding up in a school you have 2 choices

(1) bomb the school
(2) take the school back room by room

the US always picks option 1 as it does not want to risk US lives , this is against the geneva convention that you agreed to stand by , if you dont want to then the US should pull out of it

they wont pull out of the geneva convention as they want the world to think that they are being humane , so they should act by it

EVERTHING i hear coming out of the US implies that a US soldiers life is worth more then the iraqi children in the school

that is extremism my friend , that is what the fascists and the commies do , and as it is now your nation doing it you are defending it

lets try an experiment , your far from dumb G , so i can not dupe you into anything , but just try for me to read the following paragraph without filling in the blanks in your mind , just read it for what it is


During the siege of _____ by _____ forces, water, food and electricity were cut off to the 300,000 citizens of the city – in violation of the Geneva Conventions. In blatant violations of the Law of War, ___ forces have prevented the departure of able-bodied males (ages of 16 and 60 years old) from leaving the besieged city. Occupation forces then adopted Nazi Germany terror bombing of the Spanish city of Guernica. More than 6,000 civilians, according to the Red Cross, were slaughtered in cold blood.

horrific isnt it , nobody would doubt that this was a war crime .nobody would view these actions as humane

refusing to let males leave , then bombing the whole town ,stopping civilians from getting food or water !

the red cross (those people you must love so much as they are there on the ground in new orleans) claim 6000 people died , in cold blood (there words not mine)

thats genocide !

as i am sure you have guessed , it is your country that has done this
the city is fallujah and the forces were US , but if for just one second you didnt know , i know that you G would be disgusted , you are a man of god , but you are also a man of patriotic believe in your country

just for one second , read that snippet again , imagine how it sounds ,

these are war crimes G , and everyone from stalin to hitler to saddam always had some nice new reason why this was ok . now you are telling me there are nice new reasons for this to be ok

sorry G , it is a war crime ,and i know that if this act was commited by any other country on earth you would be standing by my side

but it is not , it is your country , so you will defend it again i am sure

September 08, 2005 12:02 am  

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