The Iraq war by Numbers
There has been ....$204.4 billion spent , thats the cost to the US of the war so far. The UK's bill up until March 2005 was £3.1 billion2,339 Allied troops killed
98 UK troops killed
30,000 Estimated Iraqi civilian deaths
0 Number of WMDs found
8 per cent of Iraqi children suffering acute malnutrition
$35,819m World Bank estimated cost of reconstruction
53,470 Iraqi insurgents killed
67 per cent Iraqis who feel less secure because of occupation
$343 Average monthly salary for an Iraqi soldier. Average monthly salary for an American soldier in Iraq: $4,160.75
66 journalists killed in Iraq. Journalists killed during Vietnam war: 63
5 foreign civilians kidnapped per month
47 per cent Iraqis who never have enough electricity
20 casualties per month from unexploded mines
20 per cent Inflation rate 2005
25-40 per cent Estimated unemployment rate, Nov 2005
251 Foreigners kidnapped
70 per cent of Iraqi's whose sewage system rarely works
183,000 British and American troops are still in action in Iraq. There are 162,000 US troops and 8,000 British with 13,000 from other nations
90 Daily attacks by insurgents in Nov '05. In Jun '03: 8
82 per centIraqis who are "strongly opposed" to presence of coalition troops
15,955 US troops wounded in actionOf course many of these numbers are disputed but usually due to the estimates being too low , I dont vouch for any of these numbers. I am just printing them exactly as they appear in the source The Independent
Just have to ask. Do all the numbers about the war include the 8 years of the Clinton Admin.? Remember we were doing the no fly thing...bombing weekly. Did you care when it was a Democrat in charge . How many people did we kill before George W. did you speak up then. Are you really concerned about the statistics or do you just dislike the fact that W has accomplished more with his version of the war than Clinton?
Greetings Anonymous , I am not American and would and did judge clinton just as harsh
you ask if i spoke up then and the answer is YES , I was disgusted by the sanctions placed on Iraq that may have killed upto one million people ..
Please do not assume i even care about american politics i do not
The life of a child (any child) has more value then who might win the 2008 election , please leave your rhetoric at the door
Everyone knows that Bush has screwed up. Everyone knows that Clinton screwed up. Everyone knows that Bush Sr. before him, and Regan before him... they all screwed up. Heck, you can trace this back pretty darned far. The real concern now is trying to end this thing, and to get the people of Iraq back to a position where they have clean running hot and cold water, where they can walk down their streets without having to run a gauntlet of tracer fire, where kids can safely go back to schools...
I'm not a fan of what has gone down here by any means. But what it comes down to, is that the US Government, regardless of which administration, has now effectively "bought" Iraq. You broke it, you bought it kind of deal.
A great comment (in my view) as you said "You broke it, you bought it"
It is fair to say that Many US administrations brought us to the point we have now reached , though i do think that the 'current' administration has broken the record for failing to understand and respond correctly to the problems of the middle east
The damage done to Iraq and to the trust and faith of the American people will take a very long time to repair .
But that is not the priority , as you state very clearly , whats is important right now is to
"get the people of Iraq back to a position where they have clean running hot and cold water, where they can walk down their streets without having to run a gauntlet of tracer fire, where kids can safely go back to schools..."
we can worry about the political Catastrophe later
Thankyou for visiting
Terrorist acts in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Play your stats game all you want.
Cost of security? Priceless.
Do you really believe the war in Iraq has been a good thing? Nearly 85,000 Iraqis killed, and nearly 2500 Allied soldiers killed. Hmm sounds successful. The reason I say this is from your comment: "do you just dislike the fact that W has accomplished more with his version of the war than Clinton?" Honestly... if you believe this war has been successful, you need to have your head examined, just look at the numbers above. You critize _H_ for, so you think, being to harsh to Republicans and weak on Democrats, yet you blindly accept the actions and decisions of the worst US president in history. Come on, nothing has been "accomplished" by this war.
Really? So the patriot act raping you of your freedom and privacy was worth it? A phony war killing thousands of people was worth your safety? Ok... fine. But what caused this terrorism...Your President. And past Presidents. You think terrorist hate freedom, what freedom? There is no freedom in America anymore. Terrorists hate America for supporting Israel, having troops in Saudi Arabia, supporting the Taliban against the Soviets and then screwing them, and for being terrorists yourselves. O sorry, you dont call it terrorism you call it regime change, or else you just dont hear about it... heres a little list of American terrorist campaigns.
Guatemala- 54, 60, 67-69
El Salvador- most of the 80's
Nicaragua- most of the 80's
Afghanistan- 1998, 2001-20??
So whether you agree with those being terrorist actions or not, innocent people died. Children, nuns, wives, fathers, sons, cripples, the elderly, priests... just innocent people died because of US bombs. So really, is that not the same thing that happened on sept 11. hmm ok.
$3.1b dollars Blairs Government has spent to find out Iraq had no WMD's, no links to terrorism and was no threat to the region or the World.
Wasn't there people queing up to tell him that? (2m of us at Anti-War demonstration in 2003 i recall).
It is too early to know what the political reprecussions of the Iraq war will be. The blowback from this, five, ten, fifteen years from now could be catastrophic. The reality is, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. What the US government has essentially done with this war is to create future terrorists. How do you think the young children who were robbed of their childhoods and robbed of their fathers/brothers/sisters/mothers, etc. are going to feel about this a few years from now when they get older? This is one of the ways that terror groups recruit, by picking up on people's pain and exploiting it, brainwashing them. The US government says they did this for national security, when in reality, it looks like they just created thousands more potentially dangerous soldiers for terror.
By the way, personal security, acquired from the deaths of thousands of innocent people isn't something to be proud of.
Thankyou for your comments everyone . I had to double check that stringman wasn't actually called 'Strawman' for he certainly seems to believe the "we are safer" rhetoric
Living in London I can assure him that 52 people would still be alive today if it was not for the policies of his government and mine
Fitzy : yes we did try to tell Blair but his mind was already made up . Most of the country (as you know) was against the war but since when has a democractic government actually listened to the voice of the people ...
... its currently around the same perecentage of Iraqis that are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition forces in iraq (82%)
So it seems we have exported western democracy to them , for their voice is not heard either(sarcasm)
CB : It is hard to add anything to your comment , for my view is identical to yours , it is basic common sense and logic that shows you to be correct , but alas some people still dont get it
we are not safer at all and the damage being done today will still be haunting us decades from now
Thanks for that, Stringman. By that non sequitur, we could say the Iraq War has done quite a lot.
Massive comet or meteor strikes in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Ebola outbreaks in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
Giant monster attacks in the US since 9-11:
Zero ... Zilch ... nada
u.s is sacrificing too much for this war man.
And to think the Left is losing...
I suppose you think it is all a conspiracy cooked up by the evil Bush administration.
Fine, stay the hell out of my country and its business.
Tell you what, how about you commenting on your OWN country and leave the US bashing for the Democrats, that seems to be all they are good for.
And to think 40% of the people believe nonsense such as this.
The left is losing, and people like you are reason #1.
Keep talking, every word ads another voter for the right.
BTW, dont even bother responding, I will not pollute the Internet with another visit here.
LOL , welcome to my happy home
I will stay out of "your country and its business" when "your country" stays out of other countries business
I am glad to see you couldnt dispute any of the above facts so you decided to attack me instead
welcome to the real world outside your country
if you dont like it maybe you should switch on fox and slip gently back to the world you believe in .
do come again :-) I really feel you spent the time to bring something to the debate
How would anyone ever know? You disproved absolutely nothing.
"I suppose you think it is all a conspiracy cooked up by the evil Bush administration."
Straw man fallacy. Look it up.
"Fine, stay the hell out of my country and its business."
When you stay out of our countries business, we will. Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.
"Tell you what, how about you commenting on your OWN country and leave the US bashing for the Democrats"
Well, genius, _H_ has done plenty of that as even a partial perusing of the site would reveal. And U.S. bashing? Only the totalitarian mind equates criticism of government policy with an attack against a nation of people.
"And to think 40% of the people believe nonsense such as this."
Number one, you have disproven nothing, so the only nonsense is your commentary. Number two, you need to actually research world opinion. It belies your claim that "the Left is losing".
"dont even bother responding, I will not pollute the Internet with another visit here."
I credit you with realising that your comments would be exposed for the fluff they are. Just makes me wonder why you posted them in the first place...
Thanks for the translation :-)
I know you have noticed that this post is about Iraq so am i to assume that he views Iraq as 'his country' ?
my my , the empire is growing fast
Senate Rejects Extension of Patriot Act
WASHINGTON - The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.
In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.
President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent, and add new safeguards and expiration dates to the two most controversial parts: roving wiretaps and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.
Feingold, Craig and other critics said that wasn't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.
If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on Dec. 31.
I never understood how the american people could allow their government to impose this "act" on their rights and freedoms. I know they were scared, and I suppose fear is the mind killer, but still...
Your right fear is a dangerous thing . I often wonder how diferent the world world be if any other person would have been president on sept 11th .
without making too much of a connection it is easy to see how the events of 9/11 was used in a similar way to how the burning of the Reisteig was used in nazi germany to drag the people into a world of fear and control ,
lets not forget the words of Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
"I never understood how the american people could allow their government to impose this "act" on their rights and freedoms. I know they were scared, and I suppose fear is the mind killer, but still..."
They are a remarkably fearful people, CB.
Iraq insurgents say election truce won't last
FALLUJA, Iraq, Dec 16 (Reuters) - Iraqi secular insurgents and Islamist militants said on Friday they would soon resume attacks on U.S. troops and their Iraqi allies, saying they had only observed an election truce to let fellow Sunni Arabs vote.Both Saddam Hussein loyalists and religious militants said the insurgency would rage until U.S. troops leave Iraq.
"As long as the occupation exists along with those agents who brought it, we will continue our armed struggle,"
said Abu Muyasir, 52, a former member of Saddam's Baath party who is a local guerrilla leader in Falluja, west of Baghdad.He said rebels would also remove politicians such as Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi and Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, a leader in the ruling Shi'ite bloc. "This does not mean stopping our holy war activities. We promise the coming days will be tough on the Americans and their supporters in the Iraqi army,"
said a local 48-year-old leader in Muhammad's Army, an Iraqi group whose members once served in Saddam's intelligence services.
Domestic spying OK'd by president
WASHINGTON - President Bush signed a secret order in 2002 authorizing the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens and foreign nationals in the United States, despite previous legal prohibitions against such domestic spying, sources with knowledge of the program said Thursday night.The supersecretive NSA, which in the past has generally been forbidden from domestic spying except in narrow circumstances involving foreign nationals, has monitored the e-mails, telephone calls and other communications of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of people under the program, the New York Times first disclosed Thursday night.The aim of the program was to rapidly monitor the phone calls and other communications of people in the United States believed to have contact with suspected associates of al-Qaida and other terrorist groups overseas, according to two former senior administration officials.
Authorities, including former NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden, were worried that vital information could be lost in the time it took to secure a warrant from a special surveillance court, sources said.
But the program's ramifications also prompted concerns from some quarters, including from Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., and from the presiding judge of the surveillance court, which oversees lawful domestic spying, according to the New York Times.The newspaper said it held off on publishing its story about the NSA program for a year after administration officials said its disclosure would harm national security. The White House made no comment Thursday night. A senior official reached by telephone said the issue was too sensitive to talk about. None of several press officers contacted responded to telephone or e-mail messages.Congressional sources familiar with limited aspects of the program would not discuss any classified details but made clear there were serious questions regarding the legality of the NSA actions.
Source : Here
Watch Kidnap and Torture American Style ( Video )
Kidnap and Torture American Style follows the stories of terror suspects. Some of them are British residents, who have been snatched from streets and airports throughout the world before being flown to the Middle-East and Africa. In countries such as Syria and Egypt, they undergo agonising ordeals before being incarcerated, without ever facing an open trial.
Testimonies from those suspects allege that Britain has a key role in these shady operations from supplying intelligence information on which interrogations are based, to ordering their arrest and detention.
This is a must watch video (real player required)
Click here to watch
My source for this video ICH
interesting. could have been more effective without all that tabloid-style editing and framing. still, interesting.
Thankyou for your feedback it is much appreciated
Of course the Program was produced with the UK viewers in mind so i wonder how it comes across to the wider world
If you have not seen it and you have time , check out the 'history of the CIA' video a few posts down
thanks for visiting
You're right, the viewership in mind was definitely the UK audience. When I was in London, I found that a lot of the news tended to come across with a sort of "Hard Copy" or "Inside Edition" sort of vibe, which really does take advantage of the tabloid format. It seems like that form of news making has a little more credance there. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that... it's just different is all. I guess I just think that the subject matter is interesting enough that you really don't need to overdo it. But i suppose sometimes you have to hit people over the head in order for them to get the message.
Yes sometimes you do have to hit people over the head.
I am no fan of 'tabloid-style' broadcasts or articles for that matter . Sadly i too am prone to such methods ( check out the picture i used with this post) for it is often the only way to get your 'target' audience to click on you (or change TV channel)
What matters most to me is the factual accuracy of the report or program , for the flashing lights and side show may well bring people in but lack of factual accuracy will drive them out quicker
There are a few dozen such programs in the archive here and i am considering putting them all in once place for those that have time to watch .
Thanks again for you feedback
lol, that is amazing that I used "tabloid" in the email to you, and someone else did too.
This thing is laughable. They only thing they didnt do is say something like
"Then the American stole his sole and put it in a jar with others before finally letting his lifeless body go"...
I love this stuff.
Information Clearing House
"News You Wont Find on CNN"
because it's not true and cannot be substantiated
And you wonder why they call it the "kook fringe"?
G "because it's not true and cannot be substantiated"
erm it cant be both , if it can not be substantiated how would you know its not true ?
you have no evidence that its true so you claim that it must be false ?
So for clarity what is it you doubt , is it the interview with the gentleman who came up with the concept of renditions ? or is it the interview with the UK government lawyer ? the quotes from the Italian authorities ?
there is no lack of checkable 'claims' in the report
you see in my view anonymous was judging the style of presentation not the content (if i am wrong i am sure he or she will correct me )
I recall no opinion mentioned on the 'content' , for like most people G , He/She 'appears' to be keeping an open mind
what evidence do you have to reject the claims ?
saying it 'IS' false or untrue has no meaning unless you supply evidence to counter the claim
well, I think the entire recap of the kidnapping from the "frightened witness" who happened to quickly run and tell an Imam (spelling?) is shaky enough, but then the recounting itself is just ridiculous.
How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight...
Sure, if I asked the guys down the street to do it, it would probably look much like this... but the nifty editing of the interviews left out during this part the guy who created "extreme rendition" said "it would never happen like this... with a van and injections and such"....
It is just so much crap. They get one fact, but cant run with it, so they spoof it up to try and make it compelling, and in doing so, ruin it.
"How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight..."
the CIA , MI6 , MOSSAD , the list is endless
quite often they fail to appply to the high standards we expect of such agencies , if you ever find a copy try reading 'spy catcher' by peter wright (ex MI5) the cock ups are beyond belief
I am not saying that these facts are true , I will say that this style of kidnap is happening and Italy is just one example of where the CIA has been caught out
There is no way that you or I can verify the exact details in the report , but dont be fooled into thinking these kidnappings ( now called “extraordinary rendition” )are taking place
"if it can not be substantiated how would you know its not true ?
you have no evidence that its true so you claim that it must be false ?"
It might have been a "figurative measure."
"How many traned orginizations would try this "Keystone Cops" rendition of an extraction... in the broad daylight..."
I can think of some. But then again, I haven't forgotten the case of Maher Arar and Moazzam Begg.
on a side note
I have much praise for Moazzam Begg , spending 3 years in Gitmo for no crime what so ever , being released and being so clearly innocent that the British police have had no need to question him on anything since he was released
Yet still , he makes his voice heard for the release of the Christian hostages
and for peace in Iraq
How the US thought Begg man was a terrorist is beyond me !
LOL Begg man = Begg or 'this man'
Did Ayatollah Sistani plays major role in Iraqi elections
BAGHDAD — There is an Arabic phrase that aptly describes Grand Ayatollah Ali Al Sistani's role in this week's elections: "Absent yet present." Sistani, who wields vast influence among Iraq's majority Shiites, has not publicly endorsed any candidates.
But there's little doubt of his choices — and why.
The Iranian-born cleric has issued a binding fatwa, or edict, instructing followers to vote in Thursday's parliamentary elections. He did not endorse any particular candidates, but his cryptic warning against "splitting the vote and risking its waste" suggested his support for major Shiite religious parties grouped in the United Iraqi Alliance. The Sunday fatwa urged Shiites to vote for those "who can be trusted with their principles and safeguard their high interests." By avoiding an explicit endorsement of the Shiite coalition, Sistani can give the appearance of staying above the political fray, sticking to his role as the spiritual mentor of Iraq's Shiites.
But the wording appears to be a subtle message to followers to vote for the alliance, made up of mostly loyal Shiite parties. "Typically, Sistani is being very, very clever," said Vali Nasr, an expert on Shiites who lectures on national security affairs at the US Naval Postgraduate School in Monterrey, California.
"Once he tells them to go out and vote, they know who to vote for and it's not the Kurds, the Sunnis or the secularists." A frail man in his mid-70s, Sistani has been a major influence on Iraq's political scene since the 2003 overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime. That leverage has been at the heart of an ongoing and somewhat divisive debate on the role of the clergy in a post-Saddam Iraq where religious groups, both Sunni and Shiite, are shaping the nation's political future.
Sistani'a associates maintain that he sees himself as a father figure working for the interests of all Iraqis. But many, including secular Shiites, believe he is promoting Shiite interests with the aim of enshrining the community's place as Iraq's dominant political force.
The debate over the clergy's role was fuelled by Sistani's endorsement of the Shiite alliance in general elections held in January, a decision that helped the alliance emerge as the largest single bloc in the now-outgoing parliament.
That decision enraged the alliance's rivals, like former prime minister and secular Shiite Iyad Allawi, who has repeatedly warned that the clergy's involvement in politics could be the prelude to an Islamic state in Iraq.
Source : Here .
Iraq : Voting starts and so do the bombs
Iraqis are electing their first full-term government since the US-led invasion in 2003 amid tight security.
A loud blast rocked the capital, Baghdad, shortly after the polls opened at 0700 local time.
Police said the blast was caused by a mortar landing near the heavily-fortified Green Zone, home to the Iraqi government and a number of Western embassies, the Associated Press reported.
In Mosul, a bomb killed a hospital guard and wounded two other people when it went off between a polling station and a hospital, Dr. Bahaaldin al-Bakri said. A mortar also landed near a polling station without causing any injuries, according to the U.S. military.
Reports of smaller explosions are also coming in from around the country
I'd say even you have to admit the bombs were less than expected, and comparitivly low.
Well yes and no G , your assuming i have a different view then i do
they were about what i expected , with the Sunni deciding to vote today there was a very low chance of major attacks ,
I feel the one dead on 7am was symbolic , they havent gone away G ,
both th shia and the sunni want you out , so they will comply with the vote today (and have)
but i really didnt have any expectations that today would bring a lot of bombs ,
but dont be fooled into thinking today brings us any closer to a peacfull Iraq , it does not
I dont have a problem with that at all. The sooner their government gets up and running, and then formally requests us to leave... they got it.
I'm afraid that the U.S. is not going to leave. Even after the official pullout there will still be military bases in Iraq that will be about as welcome as the ones in the holyland of the Kabah. This puts y'all good folks in America at risk. I think we can all agree that one 9/11 was more than enough.
My gut feeling is the same as yours , I just have a sneaky feeling that the NEW Iraqi government will be more anti American than Saddam was , and hence will put pressure on the US to close the bases
of course the US wont do this without a fight , and it is a fight the US will almost certainly win .
The key point that leaving bases in Iraq will put the US at more of a risk (not less as the strange right wing types think) is very true
But aslong as Bush is in the hot seat the bases will stay and the death toll will continue to rise
Just Wondering, _H_, if you've read Robert A. Pape's book Dying to Win? Great book.
Not yet , but I have just spent some time reading the reviews and have now added it to my christmas list
thanks for the Recommendation
Backdroppin (must watch animation )
Another Classic Animation from Mark Fiore . This week we go back to the story of Iraq and the US debate about withdrawing the troops . Watch it Here
Putin defines Russia as defender of Islamic World
Russia is the most reliable partner of the Islamic world and most faithful defender of its interests, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Chechnya’s capital Grozny. Putin unexpectedly visited the war-ravaged republic to speak in the local parliament that opened for its first sitting on Monday.
“Russia has always been the most faithful, reliable and consistent defender of the interests of the Islamic world. Russia has always been the best and most reliable partner and ally. By destroying Russia, these people (terrorists) destroy one of the main pillars of the Islamic world in the struggle for rights (of Islamic states) in the international arena, the struggle for their legitimate rights,”
Putin was quoted by Itar —Tass as saying, drawing applause from Chechen parliamentarians.
“Those who are trying to defend these false (extremist) ideals, those who are used as cannon fodder, who plant a mine for ten dollars or shoot with automatic weapons either do not know or have forgotten this,”
the president said.“Those who organize such activity certainly do this deliberately, understanding what goals they want to achieve,”
Putin went on to say.
The leaders of the main Islamic states understand this, he added.
“For this reason their representatives were present at the general voting in the referendum on the Constitution of the Chechen Republic, they were at the presidential elections; both the Organization of Islamic Conference and the League of Arab States, our colleagues and friends were present at the elections to the parliament.”
Putin said that “member countries of the Organization of Islamic Conference have unanimously passed a decision that Russia will begin working as an observer on a permanent basis”.
“And we shall continue our activity within the framework of this organization. Quite recently a delegation of Russia’s Muslims has been to Mecca to discuss the problems of Muslim world development with their brothers. I repeat: Russia will pursue this policy,”
the president added.
Source : Here
unless you live in Chechneya... then they are the hunters and killers of Muslims.
Oh, and nevermind that whole Orthadox Catholic thing....
"unless you live in Chechneya... "
LOL G , if you read between the lines it is the people of Chechneya that he is adressing
and here is me thinking the paranoid right would be using this to say look , the russians are joining al-qaeda LOL
he is trying to appeal to the muslims who are fighting him , it just contains a little undercurrent of a message to the west on subjects like Iran
Police Seize Forged Ballots Headed to Iraq From Iran
New York Times BAGHDAD, Iraq, Dec. 13 - Less than two days before nationwide elections, the Iraqi border police seized a tanker on Tuesday that had just crossed from Iran filled with thousands of forged ballots, an official at the Interior Ministry said.The tanker was seized in the evening by agents with the American-trained border protection force at the Iraqi town of Badra, after crossing at Munthirya on the Iraqi border, the official said. According to the Iraqi official, the border police found several thousand partly completed ballots inside.
The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said the Iranian truck driver told the police under interrogation that at least three other trucks filled with ballots had crossed from Iran at different spots along the border.
The official, who did not attend the interrogation, said he did not know where the driver was headed, or what he intended to do with the ballots.
The seizure of the truck comes at a delicate time in Iran's relations with both Iraq and the United States. The American government has said Iranian agents are deeply involved in trying to influence events in Iraq, by funneling money to Shiite political parties and by arming and training many of the illegal militias that are bedeviling the country.
Agents of the Iranian government are believed to be supporting the two main Shiite political parties here - the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq and the Dawa Party -with money and other assistance. Both parties support a strong role for Islam in the Iraqi state; however, compared with the Iranian government itself, which is a strict theocracy, the Iraqi version is relatively moderate.The truth ? , Well The claim is being denied
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Source
The head of Iraq's border guards denied police reports on Wednesday that a tanker truck stuffed with thousands of forged ballot papers had been seized crossing into Iraq from Iran before Thursday's elections."This is all a lie,"
said Lieutenant General Ahmed al- Khafaji, the chief of the U.S.-trained force which has responsibility for all Iraqi borders."I heard this yesterday and I checked all the border crossings right away. The borders are all closed anyway,"
he told Reuters. Iraq's frontiers are closed for the period of the election."I contacted all the border crossing points and there was no report of any such incident."
History of the CIA ( Video )
If you have the time this is a must watch video history of the CIA . ( or a noteworthy prologue to the CIA's renditions programme )
Many interesting points are looked at in this firm including the myth that the CIA does not torture people . Warning there are violent Images and scenes in the film . Here
UK: 'NO PUBLIC INQUIRY' INTO JULY 7th LONDON ATTACK
There will be no public inquiry into the 7 July London bombings which killed 52 people, the Home Office has said. Ministers will instead publish a definitive account of what happened in a written narrative.
The account will include material gathered from intelligence and security agencies and the police. But some Muslim groups and victims' relatives have expressed anger, saying a wider public inquiry is essential for understanding what happened.
The attacks by four suicide bombers on three Tube trains and a bus on 7 July killed 52 people and injured hundreds. After the bombings there were calls for a public inquiry and, in September, Home Secretary Charles Clarke said one had not been ruled out.
But ministers have decided it would divert
attention and resources away from pressing security and community issues, and take too long
The government has acknowledged, however, that the public requires a complete picture about the events, and details about the four men who carried out the attacks. "A narrative of events will not satisfy anybody. This is not something we will go away on"
Saba Mozakka, whose mother Behnaz died in the Piccadilly Line bomb attack
The remit of the inquests into their deaths does not extend that far and the information will not emerge at a criminal trial - because there will not be one as the bombers also died in the attacks. Instead, a senior civil servant will compile a narrative
, drawing together intelligence and police material. Leading Muslims who have been lobbying for an inquiry say such a straight narrative would not be enough."There has to be a fully comprehensive public inquiry that will provide us the information we need as to what actually happened on the day, how it happened and why it happened so that we will be better prepared to prevent such tragedy happening again,"
Sir Iqbal Sacranie, of the Muslim Council of Britain, told the BBC.Opposition MPs want to know if key intelligence questions on the bombings will be fully answered.
They want to find out why there was no intelligence
of the planned attack, whether officers should have followed up an earlier sighting
of the alleged ringleader, and why the UK threat level was reduced. Source : Here
.Of course nobody will notice that it is the British Muslims who are pushing hard for an open and public inquiry into the attack and few will question the motive behind the decision not to have an open inquiry.Is it any wonder that many people think they have something to hide .
I guess the event was not important enough to warrant inquiry. [/sarcasm]
Hey, just like the 9/11 whitewash commission.
Smart move, they wouldn't want average citizens with no political influence and nothing to gain asking tough questions and snooping around. That may give us more insight as to what really happened. Sure to contradict all the contradictions they've given us!
Amazing, only someone with something to hide, wouldn't welcome additional resources in trying to explain such heinous event as your train bombings or our 9/11.
They take us for fools!
Blood pressures rising, must.......take.............break.
hmmm , my emails to notify me of comments are not arriving , sorry guys
phisy you said "Amazing, only someone with something to hide, wouldn't welcome additional resources in trying to explain such heinous event as your train bombings or our 9/11."
spot on , what do they have to hide
maybe the reason why the security threat was dropped just weeks before the bomb ?
maybe because one of the bombers had been noticed by the security service and was not followed up
or maybe , (and just as likely) that there is some LARGER piece of information that we have yet to find out
what ever way they spin this , the attacks on london was the worst terrorist attack we have suffered on the mainland and refusing an inquiry = i smell a rat
now go and take a rest LOL , no good getting your blood pressure up , there is a long way to go and we need you for the battles ahead phishy
CIA abduction claims 'credible' whilst assurances from Straw are 'worthless'
Allegations that the CIA abducted and illegally transported terror suspects across European borders are credible, an investigator has said. Swiss senator Dick Marty has submitted a report on the claims, made in the media, to a meeting of the human rights committee of the Council of Europe.Mr Marty criticised the US for refusing to confirm or deny the allegations
Mr Marty's findings were released in an official statement by a committee of the 46-member Council of Europe, the continent's human rights watchdog."The elements we have gathered so far tend to reinforce the credibility of the allegations concerning the transport and temporary detention of detainees - outside all judicial procedure - in European countries,"
He went on: "Legal proceedings in progress in certain countries seemed to indicate that individuals had been abducted and transferred to other countries without respect for any legal standards."
The European Union has so far declined to investigate, although it has said any member state with secret prisons on its territory could have its EU voting rights suspended
have been named by the media as possible locations of CIA secret prisons, but have denied the allegations.
In his statement, Mr Marty said it was "still too early to assert that there had been any involvement or complicity of member states in illegal actions".
But, he warned, if the allegations proved correct any European states involved "would stand accused of having seriously breached their human rights obligations to the Council of Europe". Meanwhile in the UK the foreign secretary Jack Straw is coming under fire ....
Jack Straw's statement that there are no records of the CIA flying terror suspects through the UK to face torture may be "worthless",
a group of MPs say. The MPs are not reassured by the foreign secretary and say they have legal advice suggesting the government must actively investigate the claims. But Mr Straw later told MPs there was no need at all for a judge-led inquiry
.( something to hide Mr Straw ?)
Conservative MP Andrew Tyrie and Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell have set up the all party parliamentary group on extraordinary rendition. Mr Tyrie said Mr Straw's comments should "reassure nobody".
He said it was "hardly surprising"
there were no records because the Home Office had said "records of transit application are not kept once the transit has been completed". It is fun watching the ever increasing hole being dug on the issue of 'renditions' (another nice word for the Orwell fanclub ). It is just a matter of sitting back and waiting to see whom from each country gets to fall into the hole . It sure is a big enough hole so dont rush guys , there is plenty of room for all of you but please do try to take a few senior US officials with you if you dont mind
The latest on the Buncefield oil depot fire ( Video )
Well we are over 40 hours on from the explosion and it is dificult to spot any difference in the images . judge for yourself with this video . BBCNote the video will link you to the server of the BBC , I am not responsible for this link in any way ...
hey bud, shoot me an email with what the hell happened. in that response to your comment, i told you I was busy.... I wasnt joking.
I have a project due out in two months, but it is seven months of work.. (lets figure that one out).
I am supposed to be getting help... but right now, it is me, one other person, and a third that is not working for me yet.
I read about this in the paper with my coffee, but didnt get much from the local papers.
will send you an email tomorrow G , it is 6 am so i dont have time now for much else but sleeping
it will be fortunate for you when you get some help for i will remind you again of all the thing you couldnt reply to for being so busy
I have a very good memory
Didn't the terrorists just advise their groups to attack the oil?
That might have been in Iraq but what if this call was heard around the world?
What if the Oil Storm is about to begin?
Yes your correct Hype , they did
Al-qaeda' number 2 (one of the tens of thousands of number 2's of course) Ayman al-zawahri made a statement with the specific words
"I call on the holy warriors to concentrate their campaigns on the stolen oil of the Muslims, most of the revenues of which go to the enemies of Islam,"
It may be a dead lead but at this point i personally rule nothing out
I have not ruled out terrorism by any means at this point
the UK authorities acted like the american's did on saddmas WMD to start with
the US said ' we are one hundred percent certain he has them '
but they had zero percent knowledge of where they were (not very logical)
the UK said on the explosions
'we are certain it was an accident'
when nobody can even get close to the center of the fire and nobody witnessed what caused this to go up
(not very logical)
so , we really don't know what caused this yet , and there are alot of people who seem to be trying to say "we will never know what caused this" which can be seen as trying to make the issue disappear
time will tell , and the fact that the companies who own the plant have said their was 'no leaks' does make you wonder
hmmm , we shall see
That is one of the many reasons a war on terror is illogical.
war begets terror
For the record : the fire how now been put out
so start the clock on the investigation from now ..... but dont hold your breath
_H_, what has this done to British oil prices? Anything?
Oil prices for the consumer (as yet) have not been affected , what effect it has on the global market 'seems' to have been minimal
The main impact of the explosion seems to be one of maintaining adequate supplies . Most of the fuel was Aviation and this has created problems like This
And there are the obvious concerns about the effect on the UK economy here
whether this is used as an excuse for any change on the global market is not something i would answer with confidence
It would not suprise me
But take my opinion with a pinch of salt for i dont even own a car (or drive) so i dont follow fluctuations in domestic fuel prices with much scrutiny
Bush says 30,000 Iraqis killed since war began
PHILADELPHIA, Dec 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush said on Monday about 30,000 Iraqis have been killed since the Iraq war began and predicted this week's election will not be perfect but will be part of a Middle East turning point.
"No nation in history has made the transition to a free society without facing challenges, setbacks and false starts," Bush said in a speech and question-and-answer session at the World Affairs Council, striking a more realistic tone than he has sometimes in the past.
The speech was Bush's third in a series leading up to the election as he tries to bolster support for his Iraq strategy in hopes of bringing home some U.S. troops next year if Iraqi military forces are ready to fight the insurgency.
He needs a relatively smooth showing during Thursday's election in Iraq to hold up as a sign of progress and try to counter daily news of suicide bombings and U.S. troop deaths -- more than 2,100 since the start of the war -- that have soured Americans on the war.
Bush predicted insurgent violence will not end with the election and said much work remains to make Iraq's fledging democracy inclusive to all."This week elections won't be perfect, and a successful vote is not the end of the process. Iraqis still have more difficult work ahead," he said, adding, "These enemies aren't going to give up because of a successful election."
Still, he said, with Iraqis turning out three times in crucial votes, "the year 2005 will be recorded as a turning point in the history of Iraq, the history of the Middle East, and the history of freedom."
Asked about the Iraqi death toll, Bush said about 30,000 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
It was the first time Bush has publicly offered such an estimate. His aides quickly pointed out the president was not offering an official estimate.
"There is not an official U.S. government estimate," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. He said the 30,000 figure was based on "public estimates cited by media reports."
Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich demanded the Bush administration release all information it has on the number of Iraqi civilian deaths.
"It is far past time for this sort of admission from this White House," he said.Source : Reuters
MI6 and CIA 'sent student to Morocco to be tortured'
An Ethiopian student who lived in London claims that he was brutally tortured with the involvement of British and US intelligence agencies.
Binyam Mohammed, 27, says he spent nearly three years in the CIA's network of 'black sites'. In Morocco he claims he underwent the strappado torture of being hung for hours from his wrists, and scalpel cuts to his chest and penis and that a CIA officer was a regular interrogator.
After his capture in Pakistan, Mohammed says British officials warned him that he would be sent to a country where torture was used. Moroccans also asked him detailed questions about his seven years in London, which his lawyers believe came from British sources.
Western agencies believed that he was part of a plot to buy uranium in Asia, bring it to the US and build a 'dirty bomb' in league with Jose Padilla, a US citizen. Mohammed signed a confession but told his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, he had never met Padilla, or anyone in al-Qaeda. Padilla spent almost four years in American custody, accused of the plot. Last month, after allegations of the torture used against Mohammed emerged, the claims against Padilla were dropped. He now faces a civil charge of supporting al-Qaeda financially.
A senior US intelligence official told The Observer that the CIA is now in 'deep crisis' following last week's international political storm over the agency's practice of 'extraordinary rendition' - transporting suspects to countries where they face torture. 'The smarter people in the Directorate of Operations [the CIA's clandestine operational arm] know that one day, if they do this stuff, they are going to face indictment,' he said. 'They are simply refusing to participate in these operations, and if they don't have big mortgage or tuition fees to pay they're thinking about trying to resign altogether.'Read more at the Source : Observer
Damn, that is sick.
Why do we have to be so sick and twisted?
"Why do we have to be so sick and twisted? "
we dont 'have' to be hype as you know , we just need to get these monkeys out of their cages
Of course sick and twisted things will still happen , and our governments will always be doing dirty deeds
but not like this , not on this scale , and never trying to justify the sickness in this way
we have to keep at it , we can not allow any part of this NEOCON agenda to gain anything in 2008
Iraqi electoral commission reports firs cases of "iIregularities"
BAGHDAD, Iraq - With just four days to go until parliamentary elections, the Iraqi electoral commission said yesterday that it had found irregularities in voter registration in the volatile northern oil city of Kirkuk.The discovery was the first instance of an election irregularity announced by the commission as the country prepares for the vote.
The commission said experts conducting an audit of voter lists found that there had been an unexpected surge in voter registration in the area. When the experts scrutinized the voter registration forms, the commission said in a written statement, they found that many had been filled out incorrectly. Some had missing signatures and others had more than one signature. In some cases, the same name appeared on several forms.
Australia Riots : PM urges tolerance after race violence
SYDNEY, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister John Howard called for ethnic and religious tolerance on Monday after racial violence, spurred on police say by white supremacists, erupted in parts of Sydney.
Racial tension sparked violence on Cronulla Beach on Sunday when around 5,000 people, some yelling racist chants, attacked youths of Middle Eastern background, saying they were defending their beach after lifesavers were attacked there last week.
Violence then spread to a second beach, Maroubra, where scores of men armed with baseball bats smashed about 100 cars. At Botany Bay, riot police confronted hundreds of youths and police said a man was stabbed in the back in a southern Sydney suburb in what media reports said appeared to be racial violence."Mob violence is always sickening and always to be unconditionally condemned,"
Howard told a news conference on Monday, by when violence had subsided. "Attacking people on the basis of race and ethnicity is totally unacceptable and should be repudiated by all Australians, irrespective of background and politics,"
he said.New South Wales (NSW) police said a group of Neo-Nazis and white supremacists stirred on the drunken crowd at Cronulla."There appears to be an element of white supremacists and they really have no place in mainstream Australian society. Those sort of characters are best placed in Berlin 1930s, not in Cronulla 2005,"
NSW Police Minister Carl Scully told reporters.
As the crowd moved along the beach and foreshore on Sunday, one man on the back of a truck shouted: "No more Lebs (Lebanese)" -- a chant picked up by the group around him. Others carried Australian flags and dressed in Australian sports shirts. Drunken youths chased and attacked Australians of Middle East appearance
, sending some cowering into shops and hotels for safety, as riot police and dog squads tried to stop the violence.
NSW state premier Morris Iemma said the violence reflected the "ugly face of racism in Australia".
But Howard stressed the Cronulla violence was a law and order problem and did not reflect a deeper problem with Australia's multi-cultural society. "I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country,"
he said."This nation of ours has been able to absorb millions of people from different parts of the world over a period of some 40 years and we have done so with remarkable success,"
he said. "It is important that we reaffirm our respect for freedom of religion in this country, but it is also important that we place greater emphasis on integration of people into the broader community and the avoidance of tribalism."
Sydney's Islamic community blamed the violence at Cronulla Beach on "racist and irresponsible" sections of the media which turned a common youth issue into an issue of ethnicity.
Australia's small Muslim community has expressed feelings of alienation since the Iraq war, reporting racist verbal abuse and occasional assaults. Australia is a staunch U.S. ally and was one of the first nations to commit troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Local Muslims have also expressed concern about recent new anti-terror laws, which they fear could target them, and warnings of home-grown terrorism by intelligence authorities.
The Howard government has used security as a major issue in its last two election victories, but the prime minister dismissed any suggestion his government's warnings about home-grown terrorists had fuelled the rampage. "It is impossible to know how individuals react but everything this government's said about home-grown terrorism has been totally justified," said Howard. "It is a potential threat. To suggest that one should remain silent...is a complete failure of leadership." Source : Reuters
"Their beach"? Sorry racists, that beach is the stolen property of the indigenous population. Try attacking yourselves next time.
LOL well you could kind of blame the British
( for anyone that doesnt know the early British visitors to Australia were sent there as 'Guests' of the British government )
In all i think about 160 000 men and women were sent their as 'convicts' .
But they clealy took that responsibility on themselves in 1901 with the formation of the Commonwealth of Australia and then rushing in the Immigration Restriction Act 'also 1901' which restricted migration to people of primarily 'European origin'
But since that point Australia has gained a reputation for tolerence worthy of note
I totally agree with your point though , and the signs have been there for a while that this kind of thing was going to happen in Australia
This year John Howard's government have become alot more jumpy and this has filtered its way down to the people
(hmmm much like america )
the arrest last month of 17 'suspects' for 'planning terrorism' on what seems to me to be a little flaky on the evidence
the statement by Mr Howard that he would consider
"stripping people of Australian citizenship if they are convicted of terrorism crimes. "
the arrest of Abdul Nacer Benbrika
the list goes on and on ...
in my view this has all added up to a sense of high panic in parts of australia and whenever you have fear you will be sure to find the fascists standing their waiting to
capitalize on it
I'll thank you to refer to Mr. Howard as Little Johnny.
:-) little johnny it is then
BREAKING : Huge explosions rock UK oil depot
Three large explosions have taken place at an oil depot near Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire. Police say there are casualties. They are at the scene, said a spokesman.
The first blast happened at 0603 GMT, at the Buncefield oil depot, close to the junction 8 of the M1 motorway 10 miles from Luton Airport. Residents up to 30 miles from the scene reported hearing a "loud boom". One eye witness told BBC News: "There are lots of houses damaged."
Witnesses said another two explosions followed the first at 0626 GMT and 0627 GMT. The M1 near the scene has been closed in both directions.
Eye witness Sam Matton, who lives half-a-mile from the depot told BBC News: "The sky is sort of orange. The flames have got to be 60ft up in the air.
"I was in bed, I was actually having a bad dream and I thought the world had ended. The loft hatch in my house has actually fallen out, my neighbour's window has actually broken from the impact. There was a first major explosion and about three explosions after that. "
Dave Franklin told BBC News: "We woke up at 0555 GMT. There was a massive loud bang which broke windows above us and to the right. The whole sky just turned orange and black. "Several other neighbours said they did see a plane go into the depot."
Duncan Milligan, of Hemel Hempstead, said he was awoken by the explosion as his house "shook .There was a loud boom and the house shook violently. I am about three miles from where the explosion took place but I can see flames high in the sky and smoke billowing everywhere. There is clearly a building on fire near the motorway and police and emergency services are everywhere."
Source : Here
. Eye witness account Here
(video) LIVE VIDEO FEED
(windows media) Note this link may change also please note that none of these links are mine they will all connect you to the BBC source
It is early to be looking at what caused the explosions . but the mention by witnesses of them watching a 'plane' fly into the complex is a little concerning. Things are very sketchy and subject to change from my words above so please click the Live feed above for the constantly updating story
It is being reported that the depot can hold upto 60 million barrels of oil . ( of course that does not mean there was that much there) but thats just to give a reference to the size of the explosion
Live video feed is now working so i will stop updating this post and those that want more information can watch it for themselves
Just to let you know, I heard it here first... Good work, _H_.
Thanks , for once i think i was the first (or if not very close to the first) to post it
There is still much confusion , not helped by the fact the TV presenters keep using the word "attack" then correcting themselves
It now seems unlikely that this is a terrorist attack but the frequency of 'possible' freudian slips is keeping me watching with a steady rate of curiosity
Any merit to the plane quote?
Was it far from your home?
About 40 miles from me Marco , I am in north east london
the smoke is blowing this way and during daylight hours can clearly be seen above my house
here is a map
as for the plane issue , i dont think so , but yesterdays attitude was very cleary
"it was an accident"
and today that has moved somewhat to the truth which is they dont know anything yet
the official line is now
Police officers - including anti-terrorist detectives - are investigating the disaster, but say there is "nothing to suggest" it was anything other than an accident.
but that may change again
Last-minute climate deals reached ( Video )
Ministers at the climate change conference in Montreal have made a series of breakthroughs in plans to combat global warming. On the conference's last day, Kyoto Protocol signatories agreed to extend the treaty on emissions reductions beyond its 2012 deadline.
And a broader group of countries including the US agreed to non-binding talks on long-term measures. The US had refused to accept any deal leading to commitments to cuts.
Earlier, former President Bill Clinton said the US approach was "flat wrong". After Mr Clinton's remarks - which were warmly received - the official US team appeared to shift its position.
Last week delegates finalised a rule book for Kyoto, formally making it fully operational after years of negotiation and ratification. The 1997 treaty commits industrialised countries to cut their combined carbon emissions to 5% below 1990 levels by 2008-12.
The US appears to have been stung by negative coverage in the US media after it walked out in protest at Canadian attempts to get it to accept mandatory targets, as well as by Mr Clinton's strong comments , our correspondent says.
The US has still not budged on its opposition to the Kyoto treaty, and faced heavy criticism for its stance.
Jennifer Morgan, climate-change expert for environmental group WWF, said US negotiator Harlan Watson's decision to leave the talks overnight showed "just how willing the US administration is to walk away from a healthy planet and its responsibilities".
See the groundbreaking deal and celebrations Here ( windows media file ) Source and Video from the BBC
My comment: what a little weasel (regarding the American negotiator).
Yup , he was one of the main reasons I decided to post the clip
He sounds looks and thinks like a weasel and the idiotic attitude of the current US administration shows itself for all to see
Iraqi Shiites, Sunnis Issue Declaration for US Pullout
As the presence of foreign troops in Iraq is under debate, the largest Shiite and Sunni groups issued a declaration on Friday demanding a deadline announcement for the US pullout.
The declaration condemns terrorism, violence, kidnapping and murders; It also provides a legal aspect to insurgency, and vows not to normalize relations with Israel.
It was signed by radical Shiite leader Moqtada al-Sadr, the Prime Minister, Ibrahim Jaafari, the Deputy Prime Minister, Ahmed Celebi, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and supporters of the Sunni Iraqi Common Front, among others. The Front, in control of the Duleimi tribe, is very popular with the Sunnis ahead of the December 15 elections. It is expected to win a large portion of Sunni votes owing to the inclusion of the former president of the Iraqi Turkmen Front, Faruq Abdurrahman, as a member of the Sunni front. The Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, the largest Shiite group, has also signed the declaration, which attaches special importance to the document as well.
UK 'covered up' Israeli nuke deal
The UK government has been accused of covering up the sale of 20 tonnes of heavy water to Israel for its nuclear programme in the early 1950s. The BBC's Newsnight says fresh evidence shows the UK knew the ingredient it sold to Norway would be subsequently sold on to Israel for nuclear weapons.
Government officials insist they knew nothing of Israel's nuclear ambitions or Norway's intentions. The Foreign Office has declined to comment, amid calls for an inquiry.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell is asking Foreign Secretary Jack Straw for clarification. He said: "The trouble with this cover-up is that this is not a cover-up, it simply flies in the face of the known facts, now that we have access to previously classified documents."
Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn wants the Commons' foreign affairs select committee to investigate. He said: "Right back to the late 1950s we were a party to the transfer of nuclear technology to Israel. We were party to the development of a nuclear facility in Israel that could and has been used for the manufacture of nuclear weapons. Norway was always a smokescreen."
In August, Newsnight uncovered papers which revealed details of the deal.
But Foreign Office minister Kim Howells insisted Britain had simply negotiated the sale of surplus heavy water to Norway. He said the UK knew nothing of Norway's intentions or Israel's desire to start a nuclear weapons programme.
But Newsnight says it has new evidence that casts doubt on these claims. It says the UK Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA) had written to Foreign Office official Donald Cape, who approved the sale.
In the letter, the energy authority said too much heavy water had been bought from a Norwegian firm and another company from the country wanted to buy it back and sell it on to Israel.
Newsnight also has a copy of the company's contract with Israel, which stated it would provide heavy water from the UKAE.
Mr Cape denied the sale back to Norway was a "sham". But Newsnight says confidential letters he wrote suggest the Foreign Office knew Israel had been trying to buy uranium from South Africa. One letter quotes CIA reports from 1957 and 1958 that say Israel will try and establish a nuclear programme when it has the means.
Other secret government documents apparently say: "It has been, and remains our opinion, that Israel wanted an independent supply of plutonium so as to be in a position to make a nuclear weapon if she wished."
Mr Cape told Newsnight: "We had no idea at that stage, nobody suspected - not only in Britain but in the US - that the Israelis hoped to manufacture nuclear weapons." Source : BBC
Iraq elections: A quick runthrough the main parties and their policies
Iraqis will choose from among 231 political parties, coalitions and individual candidates at parliamentary elections on 15 December.
The following is a rundown of those parties expected to be the strongest contenders:
UNITED IRAQI ALLIANCE - List No. 555
The United Iraqi Alliance was formed with the blessing of Iraq's most influential Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al- Sistani, to run in the first post-Saddam Hussein elections in January this year. It won overwhelmingly, securing almost half the vote, and remains Iraq's most powerful political group.
However, some parties have broken away since January and the Alliance goes into December's election slightly weaker than it was.
The list consists of 18 conservative Shia Islamist groups, although it is dominated by just three: current Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's Dawa party, the pro-Iranian Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq
, led by Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, and the Iraqi nationalist Sadr movement, loyal to populist Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.
Al-Sistani has not explicitly backed the Alliance this time, but he has urged followers to vote for religious candidates
and not to support weaker lists, an implicit endorsement of the Alliance.
Politically, the list stresses security, sovereignty and reconstruction, and has promised to crack down on the insurgency and corruption.
It was criticised for failing to tackle both issues during its past 10 months in office. The Alliance has also pledged to end government subsidies on basic goods and to provide families victimised by Saddam's rule with extra benefits.KURDISTAN COALITION LIST - No. 730
The Kurdish coalition consists of eight groups but is dominated by the two main parties in the Kurdish north -the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, headed by Iraq's current president, Jalal Talabani, and the Kurdish Democratic Party, headed by Masoud Barzani, the president of the semi-autonomous Kurdish zone.
The list won 75 seats in January's election, making it the second most powerful political bloc. It has been allied to the United Iraqi Alliance in government for the past 10 months, although the relationship is testy.
The Kurdish list's top priority is finding a solution for Kirkuk, a multi-ethnic city that sits atop vast oil reserves and which is claimed by Kurds, Turkish-speaking ethnic Turkmen and Arabs. They also vow to expand the Kurdish region's borders
to include towns with historic Kurdish links.IRAQI NATIONAL LIST - No. 731
The Iraqi National List pulls together 15 groups and is headed by Iraq's first post-war prime minister, Iyad Allawi, a secular Shia and former Baathist.
The list is secular in nature and pan-sectarian. It includes the Communist party
, veteran Arab Sunni politician Adnan al-Pachachi, who was once foreign minister before Saddam came to power, major tribal figures and liberal Shia clerics.
The list won 40 seats in the 275-member parliament in January's vote and will look to increase its share as its secular message attracts more voters. The list vows to fight the insurgency and establish a strong central government.
They plan to revise the de-Baathification laws, brought in to rid all members of Saddam's Baath Party from office, and return more former officers in the Iraqi army, which was disbanded after the war, to the new security forces.IRAQI ACCORDANCE FRONT - No. 618
The Iraqi Accordance Front is an alliance of three mainly Islamist Arab Sunni groups
that boycotted elections in January.
The Front consists of Iraq's largest Sunni political movement, the Iraqi Islamic Party, which is running with a group called the Iraqi National Dialogue and an umbrella Sunni movement called the General Conference of the People of Iraq.The Front pledges to push for the withdrawal of foreign forces
, and promises security through dialogue and by bringing back former Iraqi army officers. Its leaders also want to change articles in the constitution
especially wording on the devolution of power to Iraq's regions.IRAQI NATIONAL CONGRESS LIST - No. 569
The Iraqi National Congress party is headed by deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi, the man who encouraged the United States to go to war in Iraq but has since fallen out with Washington
It groups 10 political parties and independents, including Sharif Ali, a relative of Iraq's last king. Chalabi split from the United Iraqi Alliance to form his group. The list stresses the need for Iraq to regain full sovereignty and to fight the insurgency by improving intelligence.
Chalabi has promised every Iraqi family a cash sum from Iraq's oil money and a piece of land for every family that does not own a home.THE IRAQI FRONT FOR NATIONAL DIALOGUE - No. 667
List is headed by controversial Sunni politician Saleh al-Mutlak and includes Sunni Arab nationalists opposed to the government. Mutlak, a wealthy businessman, is a secular Sunni with links to Baathists close to the anti-US fighting.
He promises to revise de-Baathification rules and return army officers to duty.ReutersWhat an interesting bunch , so where is the improvement from Saddam ? the big winners from this election will be Iran , and the big losers will be the US and Israel , somehow i doubt that was the original plan
Too many parties in Germany and Italy too, where is the improvement from Hitler and Mussolini?
Democracy forced upon them and imposed by military presence. Take that away and what happens - Schroeder defects (sells out) to the Russians, a little late, but never too late for $$
I doubt this was the plan but hey this democracy thing never works out right.
Hey it seems all the West is selling out for oil. Whadyaknow?
Invade for it? Or sell your soul for it?
you said "Too many parties in Germany and Italy too, where is the improvement from Hitler and Mussolini?"
well as far as i know the Germans and Italians no longer torture people in secret camps where as Saddam did and the current Shiite led government does
The current German government do not use Belsen as a gas chamber
Saddam used Abu Graahb for torture though , and hey so did we
it seems we are moving from a secular Iraq to one that is based purely on the faith of Islam , where the rights of woman are worse then they were under Saddam and the Shia get to take over fromt the Sunni Saddam as the bully of Bhagdad ,
there is of course the fact that the germans got rif of their 'Death squads' where as Saddam had them and the Shiite led government in Iraq has decided to keep them too
There does seem to be a couple of hundred differences between them, but apart from that , your right , there is no difference at all :-)
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