Saturday, December 10, 2005

Richard Pryor Has died

It is not on topic for this site but i wanted to express my sadness due to the death of Richard Pryor

The world has lost a Comic Genius

Rest in peace Mr Pryor

More details
Here

Rest in peace.

:(

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 13, 2005 5:43 pm  

Friday, December 09, 2005

Now then , Who Should America Invade Next ? ( Must watch video )

Who do you think ? , Iran , Syria , North Korea , Maybe some other 'terrorist' country ?







Well it seems if you were to give the pro war crowd in the US the power to make that choice then watch out Australia your next !

This is a comedy sketch highlighting the mind-numbing ignorance of war proponents. They want America to invade every country under the sun but asking them to locate those countries on a map proves a little difficult, but they'll still give you their opinion on it.

Enjoy
Here (Windows media file)

Or watch the video at the source
Prison Planet .

Nice find H!

Funny, in a sad kind of way.

By Anonymous somethingsphishy, at December 09, 2005 6:36 am  

On the positive spin... look at that diversity that are the "pro war" folks! It was male, female, black, white, yellow, brown, poor, rich, and everything in between!

You gotta love it. American, land of the free, and home of the brave! (nothing there about "educated").

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 09, 2005 4:16 pm  

This is like Jay Leno's sidewalk skits. I don't recall any questions about being prowar. Gotta love how Gump just makes shit up.

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 09, 2005 9:31 pm  

Hey dippy, did you read the post? I was commenting on that part of it... note the author of the post said "pro-war".... oh wait, that would mean you calmed your shaking hands (from far too much red bull consumption) long enough to keep it on one page for a few seconds.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 10, 2005 1:31 pm  

I posted this one a while back on Logical Voice - I love the "glass crater" grampa. People like him help humanity know its limits - in this case how much of an asshole someone can be.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 11, 2005 5:08 am  

hehehe , yup and in the good old US of A every so often an asshole like that gets to become President

By Blogger _H_, at December 11, 2005 5:47 am  

Gump this is a comedy sketch. Your comments about the race of people in the video is meaningless.

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 13, 2005 5:47 pm  

I think you are meaningless, nice pic too, freak.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 14, 2005 3:59 am  

"condescension"

By Blogger DJEB, at December 16, 2005 3:13 am  

US blocks Red Cross access to terror suspects

The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody. The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.




Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

The issue has dogged Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's tour to Europe.

Mr Bellinger made the admission in Geneva.


He stated that the group International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) had access to "absolutely everybody" at the prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which holds suspects detained during the US war on terror.

When asked by journalists if the organisation had access to everybody held in similar circumstances elsewhere, he said: "No". He declined to explain further.

Until now the US administration has been careful in its language, says the BBC's state department correspondent Jonathan Beale.

It has always said that the ICRC has access to all prisoners held at US defence department facilities - leaving open the question of whether there are CIA prisons elsewhere.

Mr Bellinger's comments will raise suspicions that high-profile terrorist suspects are being held out of international view, our correspondent says.

Source BBC

law... they are the law..

well, not for much longer...

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 09, 2005 9:35 pm  

lol... dude, are you like 9th grade? I am just asking, because it seems like you have no memory of anything over the last 5 years, and you have no concept of history, the constitution, bill of rights, or much else for that matter.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 10, 2005 1:32 pm  

rather then argue with hype G , why not tell me what aspect of the constitution , bill of rights or much else prevents this being iligal ?

By Blogger _H_, at December 10, 2005 9:35 pm  

where is your memory of the last 5 years?

election fraud
major corruption effort by the GOP
Enron
911
Afganistan
Iraq
people who work in the white house are indicted for outing a CIA agent
the list goes on and on..

Where have you been? Because it seems you have had your head up your ass for the last 5 years.

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 13, 2005 5:50 pm  

That was a "figurative measure," boys. Not meant to be taken seriously, let alone read.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 14, 2005 6:08 pm  

LOL are you implying that G uses some form symbolic method of expressing his view of the world that has very little (if any) base in the world we know

Welcome to the club Djeb , it seems you have met our 'G'

By Blogger _H_, at December 14, 2005 11:50 pm  

It also has very little, if any, to do with what he actually wants to say, apparently.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 15, 2005 2:37 am  

How did America plot to stop Kyoto deal

The Independent A detailed and disturbing strategy document has revealed an extraordinary American plan to destroy Europe's support for the Kyoto treaty on climate change.




The ambitious, behind-the-scenes plan was passed to The Independent this week, just as 189 countries are painfully trying to agree the second stage of Kyoto at the UN climate conference in Montreal. It was pitched to companies such as Ford Europe, Lufthansa and the German utility giant RWE.

Put together by a lobbyist who is a senior official at a group partly funded by ExxonMobil, the world's biggest oil company and a fierce opponent of anti-global warming measures, the plan seeks to draw together major international companies, academics, think-tanks, commentators, journalists and lobbyists from across Europe into a powerful grouping to destroy further EU support for the treaty.

It details just how the so-called "European Sound Climate Policy Coalition" would work. Based in Brussels, the plan would have anti-Kyoto position papers, expert spokesmen, detailed advice and networking instantly available to any politician or company who wanted to question the wisdom of proceeding with Kyoto and its demanding cuts in carbon dioxide emissions.

It has been drawn up by Chris Horner, a senior official with the Washington-based Competitive Enterprise Institute and a veteran campaigner against Kyoto and against the evidence of climate change. One of his colleagues ­ who describes himself as an adviser to President George Bush ­ was the subject of a censure motion by the Commons last year after he attacked the Government's chief scientist.

Mr Horner, whose CEI group has received almost $1.5m (£865,000) from ExxonMobil, is convinced that Europe could be successfully influenced by such a policy coalition just as the US government has been.

He thinks Europe's weakening economies are likely to be increasingly ill at ease with the costs of meeting Kyoto. And in particular, he has spotted something he thinks most of Europe has not yet woken up to. Most of the original 15 EU Kyoto signatories ­ Britain is an exception ­ are on course to miss their 2010 CO2 reduction targets. But under the terms of the treaty, they will face large fines for doing so, in terms of much bigger reduction targets in any second phase.

These will prove unacceptably costly to their economies, Mr Horner believes, even if they try to buy their way out by buying up "spare" emissions for cash from countries such as Russia. Mr Horner believes the moment for his coalition is at hand and has been seeking support for it from multinational companies. In his pitch to one major company, he wrote: " In the US an informal coalition has helped successfully to avert adoption of a Kyoto-style programme by maintaining a rational voice for civil society and ensuring a legitimate debate over climate economics, science and politics. This model should be emulated... to guide similar efforts in Europe."

Elsewhere he claimed: "A coalition addressing the economic and social impacts of the EU climate agenda must be broad-based (cross industry) and rooted in the member states. Other companies (including Lufthansa, Exxon, Ford) have already indicated their interest!"

Last night green groups hit out. Kert Davies, Greenpeace's climate campaign co-ordinator, which initially obtained the documents, said: "These are the hitmen for the Bush administration and the likes of Exxon. They are behind the scenes doing the dirty work. They are extending efforts to Europe where they are trying to undermine the momentum to solve global warming."

Read more at the Source

Oh the pressures of standing alone , against science , against reason and against the entire world . I have to admit it take incredible guts or incredible stupidity to take the view the United States holds , now which is it :-)

being good to the environment is bad for the bottom line.

well at least in their short view of things it is.

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 09, 2005 9:34 pm  

Kind of makes you wonder what went on during Cheney's closed door energy policy meetings.

By Anonymous somethingsphishy, at December 10, 2005 4:18 am  

You could also type this post out titled:

What America did to save its economy from the Cult of Environmentalist.

If you think I am wrong... wait until a Dem President, who holds that support of the greens gets into power... they will back out to.

No President will ever want to be the one to go into the books as the one who saved a lot of trees, but sank the US's dominance in world economics.

Oh, and a side note:
Why are China and India "exempt" from Kyoto? They produce more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 10, 2005 1:35 pm  

G on your side note why is china exempt , they are not entrely exempt , but they are currently exempt from the effect of because they were not the main contributors to the greenhouse gas emissions during the industrialization period that is believed to be causing today's climate change.

in other words it is our mess

as for you comment on "They produce more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined. " this is fiction G , I dont know where you got this information but it simply incorrect

the United States is by far the worst culprit on the planet , nobody even comes close

it may make you feel better to think that china is worse but the US is way out in front , even more scary considering the population of china compared to your own

as for "What America did to save its economy from the Cult of Environmentalist." the only cult is your own G , you cant call 95 % of the planet a cult , surely the little part of the world that is you is the cult

By Blogger _H_, at December 10, 2005 9:34 pm  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3143798.stm

By Blogger _H_, at December 10, 2005 9:37 pm  

"Why are China and India "exempt" from Kyoto? They produce more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined."

Why did you thing anyone would fall for this? Honestly.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 11, 2005 2:19 pm  

Because they want to fall for it , the right are increasingly desperate for any snippet they can find to justify the thoughts in their heads compared to what can be seen with their own eyes

There a hundreds of examples of this kind of thing ,

you know the stuff , "NEW EVIDENCE , we have spoken to the dog of someone who went to school with saddam and the dog has informed us that Saddam was spotted as a child drawing pictures of an Aeroplane exploding , so there you have it , saddam WAS linked to 9/11 , we are not sheep who were foolish enough to fall for such obvious lies , we were corrrect"

As you know there are hundreds of web sites that post trash like that and then in their desperate search for 'facts' to justify their faith in the vision of the world they have ,t he right pick these stories up and post them everywhere.

I think the majority 'genuinly' believe these silly rumours and on the example above i can assure you that posting the actual data in reply will not make the slightest bit of difference to G's beliefs . He will be able to search his sources and find some 'Oil money' funded research that debunks the whole thing as it was raining on the day that the scientists went to the shops to by the pen's that they used for their calculations

By Blogger _H_, at December 11, 2005 5:39 pm  

When oil production hits peak in the next couple of years, it will be interesting to see "NEW EVDENCE" they present that oil prices are actually lower than before, and "NEW EVIDENCE" showing that their agricultural system is not threatening them with starvation as it collapses.

At any rate, "g," that was not a rhetorical question. I want to know why you thought anyone would fall for that.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 12, 2005 3:34 am  

Helloooooo?

By Blogger DJEB, at December 13, 2005 1:34 am  

LOL Djeb , you are a very well informed person who can shread someones irrational argument in seconds , so let me ask you a question

do you think G is going to come and reply to 'this' post ?

of course not

I did leave a message on his site with a link to this thread and he has popped in and left a comment on my top post (currrent as i type)

He openly said to me today in reply to a similar question from m

"H,
Honestly, I just dont have time to find a link for everything. I dont keep them on hand (as I know you do). I read and listen to a ton of media sources and outlets all day long at work, but rarely have the chance to stop and document everything I hear and/or read"

in short , he doesnt have sources to factual information

he does have opinions though :-)

By Blogger _H_, at December 13, 2005 5:10 am  

"do you think G is going to come and reply to 'this' post ?"

He has to for his cred. He claims to be a marine. You know, honor, courage, blah, blah. Marines are supposed to have the integrity to admit mistakes (being men of high character, supposedly), but run away? A cowardly marine? Who on Earth ever heard of such a thing?

"he doesnt have sources to factual information"

He doesn't need them; the facts have already been provided by you. The factual information is not the point. The point was that I wanted to know who he thought he could fool with that ridiculous claim. The claim itself is not the point.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 13, 2005 8:55 am  

looks like Gump had his shirt handed to him again...

Has Gump fixed his blog yet?

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 13, 2005 5:53 pm  

How many roving smog clouds that kill crops do you see in the US? Out of those roving smog clouds (there arent any), how many travel to the neighbors and kill their crops? China does! "Other Asian countries, such as Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea, and the Philippines have all reported acid rain problems originating from China's coal burning pollution."

China's
death rate related to COPD deaths, is five time higher in China than in the United States. "chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) [is] linked to exposure to fine particulates, SO2, and cigarette smoke among other factors,accounted for 26% of all deaths in China in 1988".

Satellite data has revealed that the city is one of the worst environmental victims of China's spectacular economic growth, which has brought with it air pollution levels that are blamed for more than 400,000 premature deaths a year. According to the European Space Agency, Beijing and its neighbouring north-east Chinese provinces have the planet's worst levels of nitrogen dioxide, which can cause fatal damage to the lungs.

"An explosive increase in car ownership is blamed for a sharp rise in unhealthy emissions. In the past five years the number of vehicles clogging the capital's streets has more than doubled to nearly 2.5m. It is expected to top the 3m mark by the start of the Olympics in 2008."

Now, if you take into account how many cars are hitting the markets in China, and how fast that number is growing, China will drown out everyone with their pollution levels in 10 years. Industrial pollution (the main target of Kyoto) is only only worse than consumer household items in levels of emitted pollutents. The worst by far is road vehicles, emitting roughly 3,000 tones of various pollutents per day. Second is non-road vehicles at approximately 1,500 tons per day, and then way down the list comes Buisness and Industry, at about 641 tons a day.

So, now that we have established the gayness of me having to cite sources for stuff that is readily available, can we cut the "creditability" crap and get down to brass tacks?

You guys want to believe that China being "exempt" from Kyoto has anything to do with their pollution levels, or that it is because they are "developing", you can keep drinking your mirage wine. If you'd like to see the real goal of the Kyoto, it is to cripple established and powerful economies, trying to level the playing field to match someone else's idea of "fair".

If Kyoto was actually inteneded on finding something to stop the "global warming", it would A.) Acutally prove that we are causing it, not rely on other's inconclusive data, and B.) Attack the dependancy on internal combustion engines burning gasoline, since they are the biggest contributor to air pollution.

What a crock of shit. You guys are on loopy heaven. I dont have time to come up with an obscure link for every bullshit statment I want to make, some shit is just true without a "link" to back it up. Quite skirting the issue behind the vield of "what is your resource".

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 13, 2005 7:35 pm  

G

I would love to reply to that (and i will), but i will wait for DJEB to respond to you as he asked you the question .

By Blogger _H_, at December 13, 2005 7:58 pm  

"internal combustion engines burning gasoline, since they are the biggest contributor to air pollution"

Gump doesn't know what he is talking about.

As usual.

Cars and trucks make up about 22%.

Power plants - 33%
Major transportation (Planes) 33 %

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 13, 2005 8:10 pm  

First off, I'm still waiting to have my question answered. Here it is yet again: Why did you thing anyone would fall for your claim?

A reply to the series of "loopy" non sequiturs topped off with a strawman fallacy is forthcoming. I'm readying for work and cannot get to it now.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 13, 2005 11:25 pm  

I just gave you numbers, real numbers... including quoted sources from outside the US talking about China being the leading polluter... but, shocker, I got no actual response... just Hype's "talk a lot without saying much", and now it appears djeb's attempt to deflect what I threw out there.

I honestly dont have time to keep it up back and forth. I am not going to change your mind, but at least aknoledge that I did give you what you asked for and quit the snide crap. If you want to cling to your hot air balloon theory that the US is killing the world, fine... but dont expect anyone with out blue (or green?) tinted glasses on to accept it.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 14, 2005 4:02 am  

wow , not so fast G , thats called running away , i know you have time to check my site once a day , as does DJEB , he has spotted your reply and clearly says

reply to the series of "loopy" non sequiturs topped off with a strawman fallacy is forthcoming.


he is not in your time zone so just check tomorrow , we waited 3 days for your reply , but you wont wait even 12 hours for his

give me a break , you have time to check tomorrow , your sounding chicken

By Blogger _H_, at December 14, 2005 4:15 am  

" we waited 3 days for your reply , but you wont wait even 12 hours for his "

It's called hypocrisy, _H_.



As I said, I had to go off to work. But, as is apparent, you are not good at reading.

Your post, g, was such a non sequitur that I enterained the notion that it was not written in response to my question. It seems to be attempting to defend to initial "bullshit statment" (your words) that China "produce[s] more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined." Of note, this was in reference to Kyoto, which, of course, deals with greenhouse gases. Assuming this is the case, let us look at the defence offered in standard form:

Since there "roving smog clouds that kill crops" in China

And there are acid rain problems in other countries from China's pollution (partially counter-balanced by China's growing desertification problem)

And China's air pollution causes "more than 400,000 premature deaths a year"

And there has been an"explosive increase in car ownership" in China

And China's pollution will become much worse in 10 years as the problem is growing exponentially
_______________________________________
Therefore, China "produce[s] more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined."


Now, I'm not sure just how it is you believe a syllogism works, I can assure you that this is a non sequitur. As such, you were quite accurate when you called it a "bullshit statment."

Now that this has been established, we can return to the "brass tacks." Again, regarding your statement that China creates more pollution than Canada, Mexico and the United States of America combined, Why did you thing anyone would fall for this statement?

By Blogger DJEB, at December 14, 2005 4:19 pm  

That particular statement was meant as a figurative theme, not quite the exact factual statement you are trying to tie me to. Please forgive me if I assumed you understood this, and were asking me more to back up the claim of China being a terrible polluter.

Now, as for the charge of me being a bit hasty… I’m not entirely sure where you presumed I was complaining about your response time (as I stated nothing to the effect). I simply was saying I wouldn’t keep up a ridiculous diatribe that consists of you attacking me, while I defend facts… stupid really.

On to the larger picture as a whole, why is you have neither addressed the facts put forth, nor the evidence. I assume by your absence of debate and or counter evidence that you accept this. This would lead me (and most) to the conclusion that you either don’t understand what I said, or by default believe it. Either way, the bottom line still stands that I have put forth very convincing information that would suggest a potential flaw in the “righteous curtain” that the world’s environmental elite attempt to operate behind (think Wizard of Oz).

Now to the grammatically bs. Since my statement was a figurative measure to try and express a point, it really doesn’t fall into the syllogism arena, instead, more of an exaggerated metaphor maybe… jury is out there. But I neither tried to “logic” from a broad view down to a specific view, nor did I try to bring you down a “A + B = C, thus C – B = A” reasoning.

I simply linked and quoted resources that plainly say “China is the world’s leader”… that’s about as clear cut as we can get.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 14, 2005 5:32 pm  

So you are prone to making silly statements then trying to back them up with fallacious arguments. I see.

Next, you vs. you:
"shocker, I got no actual response... djeb's attempt to deflect what I threw out there." (This after I clearly stated that I was not through.)

vs.

"Now, as for the charge of me being a bit hasty… I’m not entirely sure where you presumed I was complaining about your response time (as I stated nothing to the effect). I simply was saying I wouldn’t keep up a ridiculous diatribe that consists of you attacking me, while I defend facts… stupid really."



"On to the larger picture as a whole, why is you have neither addressed the facts put forth, nor the evidence. I assume by your absence of debate and or counter evidence that you accept this."


What fact would that be? Your "figurative measure" AKA "bullshit statement"? That has been shown to be empty. If it is the statements regarding pollution in China on its own and not in comparison to other nations, I never challenged them, did I. If fact, that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I asked, does it.

I simply linked and quoted resources that plainly say “China is the world’s leader”… that’s about as clear cut as we can get.

This you did in reponse to my question as to why you thought anyone would fall for your original asinine claim, leading me, as I said, to assume that you meant to defend the original claim. You have explained yourself now, though. You are prone to making asinine statements as a "figurative measure." Now I know never to take anything you say seriously. Fine enough.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 14, 2005 5:56 pm  

H, you said I would get debate from this guy, not lines of fancy rhetoric and condescension. What I do find amazing is the twist and turns he had to take to actually use my words to make a non-point.(or “non-sequitur”) as he’d like to put it.

I guess that leaves us where? DJEB says he will no longer take me seriously (did he used to?), but he concedes that everything I said/quoted was true.

I’ll leave it there then that he would also concede that Kyoto is a tool used to level economic playing fields (much like WTO) instead of an actual environmental tool.
If it is the statements regarding pollution in China on its own and not in comparison to other nations, I never challenged them, did I.

Thanks for the agreement DJEB, it was great.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 15, 2005 7:21 pm  

More "bullshit statement[s]" and "figurative measure[s]."

What I do find amazing is the twist and turns he had to take to actually use my words to make a non-point.(or “non-sequitur”) as he’d like to put it.

An empty charge. Be more specific. I am guilty of continually sticking to my original question whilst you were insistent on offering non sequiturs as though spewing out enough information would somehow deal with the issue at hand.

Not challenging supporting premises (I was genuinely disinterested in them) does not equal supporting a given conclusion. Let's try standard form again:

Because DJEB did not challenge the assertion that there "roving smog clouds that kill crops" in China

Or that there are acid rain problems in other countries from China's pollution (partially counter-balanced by China's growing desertification problem)

Or that China's air pollution causes "more than 400,000 premature deaths a year"

Or that there has been an"explosive increase in car ownership" in China

Or that China's pollution will become much worse in 10 years as the problem is growing exponentially
_______________________________
Therefore DJEB would agree that "Kyoto is a tool used to level economic playing fields"


Agreemnent? No, that would make another non sequitur, which you seem to be quite good at making. If you are serious about the issue of unfair advantage in international development economics, then I suggest that you'd better read Ha-Joon Chang's Kicking Away The Ladder: Development Strategy in Historical Perspective.

Until then, you might leave off the "bullshit statement[s]" and "figurative measure[s]."

By Blogger DJEB, at December 16, 2005 2:20 am  

Ok, one more time for the slow guy: (NOTE: All numbers are sources from Pew Center on Global Climate Change unless otherwise specified)

Type of fuel used is an important factor in emissions because fuels have significantly different ratios of CO2 emissions per unit of energy consumed. Coal produces 21 percent more CO2 than oil and 76 percent more CO2 than natural gas per unit of energy consumption.

Worldwide Energy Supply by Fuel Type:
Oil 36%, Coal 23%, Gas 20%
Hydroelectric, Nuclear, Renewable combined make up the other 21%

(EIA) The People's Republic of China (China) is the world's most populous country and the second largest energy consumer (after the United States). Production and consumption of coal, its dominant fuel, is the highest in the world.
Coal Production (2003E): 1.63 billion short tons
Coal Consumption (2003E): 1.53 billion short tons

Here is the “syllogism” you were looking for. China uses more coal than anyone in the world. Coal produces 21% more CO2 Than fossil fuels. CO2 are the largest contributor to global warming (if you believe it is man made). China contributes more than anyone else. But wait, we’re not done!

World wide CO2 emissions from 1860 to 1997 show a different pattern that you would choose to portray. A steady growth from about none, to 1,000 MMTC is registered until around 1940, at which point global emissions rates spiked up to approximately 6,300 MMTC in 1997. But guess what region is the world leader? Asia. That’s right, Asia, not the ALM, who only produces about 4,300 MMTC. (MMTC = million metric tons of carbon equivalents)

Still going though. If you want to look at “Per capita” pollution levels, most of the industrialized world beats out China. But this forgets the fact that 73% of their nation lives out in rural undeveloped “hinter lands”. In 1997, China was running a close second to the US in CO2 emissions from fossil fuels and land-use changes (1,490 MMTC to 914). But that is not counting their recent growth (as the number is almost 10 years old), and more specifically, the SOURCE of those emissions.

Watch out, here comes another “syllogism”. If cars are the largest source of CO2 (NRDC: Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually in the US), and the US has more cars than anywhere else in the world, cars are the reason the US has higher emissions of CO2 than anyone else. If China is a close second, but has a fraction of the automobiles, and they use coal at their major source of fuel (which produces 21% more CO2 than fossil fuels), then China is producing more CO2 than anyone else in the world, if we ignore automobiles.

(Gasp! Another syllogism and a sequitur) Kyoto seeks to attack global warming by impacting CO2 emissions from nations industrial activities. Kyoto does not try to impede, impact, or change automobile activity. Kyoto is not an effective measure against the suspected sources of global warming, and in fact ignores the most dangerous emitter of these suspect sources.

Now, please quit with the dance around game. At this point you’ve pretty much lost my interest as you have nothing add to any real debate.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 16, 2005 2:44 pm  

Oh, and yes, the NRDC link does quote as saying cars are the second leading source... but that is because they are only behind..... you guessed it: Coal!

Kyoto is a joke. You want to fight the good fight, quit supporting it, and get behind someone trying to create alternative fuels.

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 16, 2005 2:49 pm  

Again I find it hard to believe that your posts are a response to what I have said. The problem here is you refuse to look at what I have written. What I stated was stated several times in easy to understand language. Your latest response is to provide more data which I can only guess is to back up your original "bullshit statement" or "figurative measure," which _H_ took care of on December 10 at 9:37 PM.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 16, 2005 10:20 pm  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3143798.stm

By Blogger DJEB, at December 18, 2005 4:19 am  

Just to recap, you haven't proven that China "produce[s] more polution than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined," or that "Kyoto is a tool used to level economic playing fields."

By Blogger DJEB, at December 19, 2005 9:36 am  

Your that one in class that tried to argue with the math teacher about 1+1=2....

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 19, 2005 9:17 pm  

Fallacy: diversionary humor.

So, you still have not proven that China "produce[s] more polution [sic] than Canada, Mexico, and the US combined," or that "Kyoto is a tool used to level economic playing fields."

By Blogger DJEB, at December 20, 2005 12:25 am  

Oops. I almost forgot "condescension."

By Blogger DJEB, at December 20, 2005 12:31 am  

Thursday, December 08, 2005

Ex Guantanamo bay inmates make hostage plea

Britain's former Guantanamo detainees call for the release of Norman Kember and three other hostages held in Iraq. Moazzam Begg told the BBC's Newsnight he and his fellow former inmates had been reminded of their ordeal by seeing the 74-year-old Briton in a jumpsuit.


Mr Begg said: "When we were first granted release by Allah's mercy we came home to find that there were people who opposed the government in their brutal war waged against Afghanistan and Iraq and stood on the side of justice, and they were not Muslims."

"It is our sincerest belief that Norman Kember, the 74-year-old Briton and those with him are amongst those people, the many people who opposed this war from the beginning and were only in Iraq to promote human rights for the oppressed.

Moazzam Begg was detained for nearly three years

"Just like Sheikh Abu Qatada we also hope that our words may encourage you to show mercy to these men and let them free."

Mr Kember, along with Mr Fox, 54, and Canadians James Loney, 41, and Harmeet Singh Sooden, 32, had travelled to Iraq as a "gesture of solidarity" with Canada-based international peace group Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT)

Their captors have accused the men of being spies, a charge their employers deny.

The latest video shows Mr Kember and Mr Fox dressed in orange jump suits with their hands shackled and wearing blindfolds, echoing film of British kidnap victim Ken Bigley who was shown wearing similar clothes before his murder.

Mr Kember is shown telling the camera he is "a friend of Iraq".

"I have been opposed to this war, Mr Blair's war, since the very beginning but I ask him now, and the British government, to do all that they can to work for my release and the release of the Iraqi people from oppression," Mr Kember says.

On Thursday, a radical cleric detained in the UK made an appeal for the hostages' release.

In a video filmed in prison, Abu Qatada urged the kidnappers to free them "in line with the principle of mercy of our religion".

source : BBC

Britain's top court bans "torture evidence"

LONDON (Reuters) Britain's highest court ruled on Thursday that information gleaned from torture anywhere in the world was unacceptable as evidence in British courts.



Rights groups immediately said the ruling sent a clear signal to governments around the world who are wrestling with accusations that they participated in, provided facilities for, or used evidence in court extracted from people detained as part of a CIA program known as "rendition".

The decision by the House of Lords to refuse evidence obtained under torture in third countries comes a day after the United States explicitly banned its interrogators from treating detainees inhumanely after widespread anger and pressure from European governments and the U.S. Congress.

"Torture is an unqualified evil. It can never be justified. Rather it must always be punished," said Lord Brown, one of seven Law Lords asked to rule on the issue.

Extraordinary rendition refers to a program in which U.S. operatives capture, detain and transport people suspected of terrorist activities to a third country where they are held.

Human rights groups say holding detainees incommunicado is illegal and often leads to torture.

The director of human rights group Liberty, Shami Chakbrabati, said the ruling sent a clear signal to governments around the world and Amnesty International called Thursday's decision "momentous".

"This ruling shreds any vestige of legality with which the UK government had attempted to defend a completely unlawful and reprehensible policy," rights group Amnesty International said.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the ruling would not affect its attempts to fight terrorism and insisted London did not condone torture in any way.

The British government had argued that a special tribunal meeting to decide if suspects were a threat to national security needed to consider all available evidence, however it was obtained.

Continue reading Here

It is good to see the House of Lords putting the British government in its place , now they know that any evidence provided by torture can NOT be used as evidence we can again see a clear line being drawn between the actions of the UK and the actions of the 'terrorists' . There is still a long way to go but this is a good step

New Al-Qaida video claim Osama is alive

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's deputy leader called for attacks against Gulf oil facilities and urged insurgent groups in Iraq to unite to drive out American forces, according to a videotape posted on the Internet Wednesday.



The posting was a full version of a video by al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri that was issued on Sept. 19, excerpts of which were broadcast by the Arab television network Al-Jazeera at the time. The network aired more excerpts Wednesday, originally presenting all of the footage as new. A newscaster later told viewers some of the excerpts had previously been broadcast.

"I call on the holy warriors to concentrate their campaigns on the stolen oil of the Muslims, most of the revenues of which go to the enemies of Islam," al-Zawahri, the
Egyptian deputy of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, said in a portion of the tape not previously broadcast.

Al-Zawahri also said that Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was alive and well and leading the holy war against the West.

"Thanks be to God, (al-Qaida's) prince, Sheik Osama bin Laden, is still, God protect him, leading the holy war," al-Zawahri said in the September footage.

Al-Zawahri, who was wearing a white robe and black turban and was seated before a pale blue sheet, spoke to an off-camera interviewer. He said "the enemies of Islam" were exploiting oil with "incomparable greed, and we have to stop that theft with all we can save this fortune for the nation of Islam."

In the full version of the tape, which was posted on an Islamic Web site known for carrying statements from extremist groups, al-Zawahri called on Iraqi insurgent groups to unite.

Iraqi Arabs, Kurds and Turkomen, "whose hands were not tainted by Americans," should come together to fill "the gap that will be left by the Americans departure" from Iraq, he said.

The full video includes quotes from al-Zawahri on September elections in Afghanistan and on the July 7 London bombings that appeared in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera on Sept. 19.

Source : Here

Obviously more propaganda , It is in their interests for Osama to be alive , Infact it is one of the many things the US and Al-Qaida have in common . Though if Osama truly was alive and well Al-Qaida would not be able to resist putting him on film . The last 'claimed' Bin Laden tape was an obvious fake so i doubt we will be seing any more of them .

Agreed. Bush needs Bin Laden alive. That's why when there were reports here of him being killed they quickly stopped - not denied, not disproven, just stopped.

I suspect they know where Al-Zawahri is too, and always knew where Bin Laden was. bin Laden needed dialysis for crying out loud. You can't carry a dialysis machine in your rucksack.

By Anonymous Nostradamnthem, at December 09, 2005 1:07 am  

LOL very true , it is amazing how rarely the state of Osama's kidneys are mentioned considering the facts

By Blogger _H_, at December 09, 2005 4:27 am  

U.S. Christians March on Guantanamo to visit Prisoners on Hunger Strike

Twenty-five Christians in the nonviolent tradition of Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker arrived in Cuba last evening and plan to set out from Santiago today on a solemn fifty-mile march to the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. They seek to defend human dignity by visiting with the hundreds of detainees who have been held for more than three years under horrific conditions by the U.S. government.


As a Christian, I feel compelled to reach out across national boundaries to perform one of the most basic acts of faith as described in the gospel of Matthew 25, I was in prison and you visited me, explained Catholic Worker Matthew Daloisio. We want our fellow Americans to see the shameful acts of torture and abuse taking place in this and other illegal prisons hidden across the globe. We pray that others will join us in urging our government to allow us to perform this act of Christian faith.

Participants in the group include a Jesuit Priest, Steve Kelly, a Catholic Nun, Sr. Anne Montgomery, Frida Berrigan, daughter of the late antiwar activist Phil Berrigan, and representatives of a number of Catholic Worker Communities. The marchers plan to arrive outside the gates of the U.S. naval base and prison complex on Guantanamo Bay on December 10, International Human Rights Day.

They are requesting entry into the compound to visit and interview the detainees as a work of mercy in keeping with their faith. If refused, as United Nations inspectors were just two weeks ago, they will hold a fast in solidarity and a vigil to pray for the immediate abolition of torture by all nations.

Source here

Good for them , I am not religous myself but this seems to be more like the actions that you would expect from those who follow the Christian faith . It surprises me how little noise the US Christian community makes on issues like torture . So these people deserve credit in my opinion for actually taking seriously the often over used phrase of 'What would Jesus do'

Praiseworthy indeed

Man shot dead at Florida airport

A man who claimed to have a bomb on board an American Airlines plane in Miami has been shot dead by US air marshals, officials say. Rigoberto Alpizar, a 44-year-old US citizen, was killed in the air bridge after running out of the plane pursued by marshals who had broken their cover.

No bomb was found on Mr Alpizar whose wife had tried to explain he had a mental illness, one witness said. It was the first time since 9/11 that air marshals had shot at a passenger.

The US dramatically increased the number of air marshals on flights after the 2001 attacks.

Local police and federal officers are investigating the incident, but officials say so far there is no hint of any links to terrorism.

Mr Alpizar had arrived in Miami, Florida, from Ecuador and was boarding a flight to Orlando at about 1410 local time.Alpizar had been married about 22 years, relatives said

"At some point, he uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb," said Miami Federal Air Marshals official James Bauer.

"There were federal air marshals on board the aircraft. They came out of their cover, confronted him, and he remained noncompliant with their instructions.

"As he was attempting to evade them, his actions caused the FAMs to fire shots, and in fact he is deceased."

Homeland Security Department spokeswoman Joanna Gonzalez said Mr Alpizar had fled from the aircraft through the air bridge going toward the terminal.

"At that point, he appeared to be reaching into his carry-on bag... the air marshals took the appropriate action and that's when the shots were fired," she added.

Mary Gardner, a fellow passenger, told local television that the man had run frantically down the aisle of the Boeing 757 screaming while his wife tried to explain he was ill.

"I did hear the lady say her husband was bi-polar and had not had his medication," she said.

Source BBC

Wednesday, December 07, 2005

UK : Jailed terror suspect makes Iraq kidnap plea

A terror suspect held in a British jail has made a unprecedented video appeal for the release of Briton Norman Kember, taken hostage with three others in Iraq last month. Radical cleric Abu Qatada, detained since 2002, urged the kidnappers to free the hostage "in line with the principle of mercy of our religion".


Mr Kember's wife, Pat, also appealed for the release of her 74-year-old husband, from Pinner in north London.

The kidnappers have threatened to kill the hostages on Thursday.

The Foreign Office said Qatada volunteered to be filmed addressing the hostage-takers - who claim to belong to a group called the Swords of Truth. The terror suspect said on the video: "I am your brother Abu Qatada, Omar bin Mahmud Abu Omar, who is imprisoned in Full Sutton jail in Britain.

"I urge my brothers in the Brigades of Swords of Right in Iraq to release them in line with the principle of mercy of our religion, if there was no compelling religious duty against it."

Qatada, described by a Spanish judge as al-Qaeda's ambassador in Europe, was briefly released under a control order earlier this year before being re-arrested facing deportation to Jordan.

It is believed to be the first time a serving prisoner in the UK has made such an appeal.


Watch the appeal being made BBC (video)

Trial adjourned after Saddam refuses to attend

Source : Guardian

Saddam Hussein refused to attend his own trial in Baghdad today after declaring he had been mistreated by an "unjust court", a court official said.




The former Iraqi dictator delayed the hearing by four hours, before the presiding judge, Rizgar Amin, decided to continue without him. He subsequently adjourned the trial until December 21. Saddam's lawyers were present for the proceedings.

Saddam and seven co-defendants are being tried for the torture and killing of 140 Shia residents from the town of Dujail in 1982 in retaliation for an assassination attempt. He faces the death penalty if convicted.

At the end of yesterday's hearing, Saddam threatened to boycott proceedings, complaining that he and his co-defendants had been mistreated during the trial.

"I will not come to an unjust court," he said. "Go to hell."


He stuck by his threat this morning and refused to attend the hearing. Hours of legal discussions between Saddam and his defence team followed before the judge decided to reconvene the session without him.

Judge Amin later adjourned the trial. The hearing has already been adjourned twice after the accused men's defence team said they needed more time to prepare a case.

Saddam, dressed in a dark suit and holding a Qur'an, yesterday complained that he and his co-defendants were tired and had been deprived of opportunities to shower, change their clothes, exercise or smoke.

"This is terrorism," he said.

The trial has been frequently interrupted by violent outbursts. On Monday, Saddam declared he was not afraid of execution, while his half-brother and one of the co-defendants, Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, swore and spat at the judge.

Last week Saddam berated the judge for saying he would ask US soldiers to loosen the former president's shackles. "You do not ask them, you order them," Saddam said.

Yesterday's outburst came at the end of a harrowing session when an unidentified woman witness told of repeated beatings, torture and sexual humiliation in his regime's detention centres when she was a teenager.

But neither "Witness A", nor another woman who took the stand later, was able to identify Saddam as directly responsible for crimes against humanity.

All five witnesses - the two women and three men - who gave evidence yesterday had their voices disguised and were hidden to protect their identity.

The son of one of the guards at Saddam's trial was kidnapped this morning.

The eight-year-old boy was seized in front of his house in Baghdad. It is not yet known whether the kidnapping is connected to the trial.

Two defence lawyers for Saddam were shot dead by unidentifie

Insurgents dismiss Iraq polls, brace for battle

BAGHDAD (Reuters) Election posters promising a stable Iraq cut no ice with men like Abu Mohammed, who runs a women's clothing boutique in Baghdad's Adhamiya district by day but is an insurgent fighter by night.


As an insurgent, Abu Mohammed attacks U.S. military convoys with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 assault rifles, fights Iraqi troops and hunts down "informers".

"Expect black days. Elections won't change anything. This is a long-term struggle. We will fight for the next 20 years," said Abu Mohammed, who used that name as an insurgent.

Iraqi officials and their American allies are pinning their hopes on December 15 elections for the first post-war, full-term government to defuse a Sunni Arab insurgency that has killed thousands of security forces and civilians.

Even though many more Sunnis are expected to vote after largely boycotting January elections, the big question is whether hardcore fighters can be drawn into peaceful politics.

Abu Mohammed and his insurgent brother sitting beside him in his shop aim to dig in for a protracted battle.

They dismiss candidates like Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi, a former U.S. ally, and pro-Iranian Shi'ite leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim and say they are exiles who rode into Iraq on American tanks.

In Adhamiya, a northern Baghdad district that is a typical stronghold for Sunni insurgents, inspiration still comes from Saddam Hussein, not from promises of democracy and prosperity made after his fall in 2003.

They see signs of decline all around. An old officers' social club now has sandbags in front of it and what was once a feared intelligence headquarters is inhabited by the homeless.

Abu Mohammed says even election candidate and former prime minister Iyad Allawi, seen as a strongman who appeals to both Shi'ites and Sunnis amid sectarian fears of civil war, has little chance of winning over guerrillas in Adhamiya.

"We want Saddam back. If we can't have Saddam we want someone who stayed in Iraq and not exiles," said Abu Mohammed, a short, stocky man with glasses whose eyes fill with rage when he speaks of U.S. occupation and Iraqi politicians.

Both his favoured scenarios are highly unlikely. Saddam is fighting for his life in court and Iraq's political landscape, once controlled by Sunnis, is dominated by Shi'ites and Kurds.

Insurgent Abu Alaa, a former intelligence officer, says he wanted to join Iraq's new security forces but was discouraged by what he called Shi'ite discrimination and violence against Sunnis.

Unemployed, he spends most of his time fighting despite the slick election advertisements on television.

"These elections don't mean anything. There is no democracy in Iraq with our new leaders," he said.

Although Sunnis lost out by not voting in January elections, Abu Mohammed sees the elections as a U.S. plot to dominate Iraq.

His suspicions have been reinforced by the recent discovery of 173 malnourished Sunni prisoners found locked in a bunker by the Shi'ite-run Interior Ministry.

Workers in his shop listen closely as he criticises Iraq's new government while women stroll through looking at clothes.

Outside, insurgents who once served in Saddam's intelligence agencies keep a close eye on any strangers who enter Adhamiya, where he was last seen in public after the fall of Baghdad waving to crowds near the Abu Hanifa mosque.

The United States may be optimistic about democracy conquering violence but Abu Mohammed and others like him still prefer the bullet to the ballot box.

"How can we accept any new government when the Americans have arranged everything their way?," he asked.

"There are just too many differences between us. If an American man finds his wife in bed with another man it is normal. In Iraq if a man looks at my wife I will kill him."

Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Jerusalem Post sensationalize story about nuclear Iran (what a surprise)

Read the original article at Raw Story

An article in the Jerusalem Post trumpeted by the conservative Drudge Report grossly sensationalizes the comments of Mohamed El-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency.



The piece, titled "El Baradei: Iran only months away from a bomb," takes a comment Baradei made to the British newspaper The Independent completely out of context.

According to the Independent, Baradei said he wasn't sure if the Iranians were building a nuclear weapon:

Although IAEA officials have said it would take at least two years for Natanz to become fully operational, Mr ElBaradei believes that once the facility is up and running, the Iranians could be "a few months" away from a nuclear weapon. "That's why there is the concern of the international community about Iran," he said, "because lots of people feel it could be a dual purpose programme".

Did he believe the Iranians were building a nuclear weapon? "The jury's out," he said. "It's difficult to read their intention. We're still going through the programme to make sure it's all for peaceful purposes.

"I know they are trying to acquire the full fuel cycle. I know that acquiring the full fuel cycle means that a country is months away from nuclear weapons, and that applies to Iran and everybody else."

The Jerusalem Post, meanwhile, turned Baradei on his head -- not only ignoring the fact that he said he wasn't sure Iran was developing a nuclear weapon, but also adding "will" where Baradei had said "could"

now read the twisted version

IAEA chairman Muhammad ElBaradei on Monday confirmed Israel's assessment that Iran is only a few months away from creating an atomic bomb.

If Teheran indeed resumed its uranium enrichment in other plants, as threatened, it will take it only "a few months" to produce a nuclear bomb, El-Baradei told The Independent.

However, ElBaradei didn't confirm Israel's assessment, since - in the worst case scenario - Iran is two years and a few months away from being able to acquire the full fuel cycle.


A lie can work its way around the world before the truth can even put its boots on , and this lie is out in the Muslim hating anti Arab right wing world , and will now be repeated as truth.

Why on earth anyone would take an article from an Israeli news source on this subject as evidence is beyond me . surely it is obvious that their perspective would be motivated by more then honesty.

Iran prints articles every day saying they are NOT building a bomb , and of course this is taken with little credibility , so why would that not be spotted the other way round ?

finally for those that which to check the lies for themselves here is the orignal article Independent and here are the lies based on the Independents article Jpost

Liarrific fibbing to be sure. But I'd almost be disappointed if they didn't do it.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 9:00 am  

hehe exactly , anyone with a brain would expect it ,

i dont blame them for trying , i just dont understand those that just rinse and repeat the claims

still its out now and the right will continue to rinse and repeat this story for ever more

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:04 am  

And the Right people will believe it. Makes me want to hit my head against the wall. You can't fool all of the people all of the time, but you can fool the Right, or something like that.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 9:14 am  

I was going to say something similar

al-qaeda and saddam
saddam and 9/11
Iraq and WMD

dont you get sick of correcting each myth day after day . every time i go to a right wing blog i keep having to point out the same lies over and over .

I am covinced the right has a plan to drive us all insain by making the world repeat the same thing until we give up and sign ourselves up for the next availible labottomy

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:27 am  

I don't go to right-wing web site and I don't debate them - I don't have time to waste on obvious fallacies. Right-wing thought is quite literally a mental illness (see Jack Glaser, Arie Kruglanski et al did in their paper Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition), and I don't have the time or training to deal with it.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 9:33 am  

Thanks.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 9:35 am  

ah wisdom and common sense

I have yet to learn to ignore the righties . I have just reached the point of refusing to debate with those who are still repeating Mohammed Atta stories and laughable claims about uranium and Niger , but i am so easily dragged into correcting ignorance .

My heart tells me it is pointless my fingers end up typing anyway

oh well

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:43 am  

Excellent find

By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 06, 2005 10:32 am  

Ah, Mohammed Atta. I remember the days... Say, remember when the Quebec City protestors were going to throw AIDS tainted blood on the police? Those were the days, eh? Of course, that was before the world began on September 11th, 2001.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 11:17 am  

You mean there was a world before 9/11 ? :-) noooo , next you will be telling me that this terrorism thing already existed in this pre 9/11 world

get away with you !

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 11:45 pm  

I read this entire thing, and now I have to wonder how you will pretty much discredit this entire thing.

The guys said:
"I know they are trying to acquire the full fuel cycle. I know that acquiring the full fuel cycle means that a country is months away from nuclear weapons, and that applies to Iran and everybody else."


Sure, the JP sensationalized it, but exacly where did they lie? And now, to boot, are you implying that many of your "sources" have also sensationalized facts and slanted views to fit their agenda?

YOu propped this up on my site, and on here as if they lied, or that El Baradei didnt say this at all?

By Blogger G_in_AL, at December 07, 2005 3:43 am  

G , how can you miss it

the JP clearly says "IAEA chairman Muhammad ElBaradei on Monday confirmed Israel's assessment that Iran is only a few months away from creating an atomic bomb. "

Muhammad has never uttered those words ,

he has never said that Iran IS building a bomb at all never mind only a few months away

he has no evidence that Iran IS building a nuke and its his job to check

the Independent never printed the words they claim "El-Baradei told The Independent. "

if the JP are not a buch of liars then you will be able to show me where the IAEA has ever said that Iran is building a bomb at all ?

the JP clearly says " Iran is only a few months away from creating an atomic bomb. "

so show me where the IAEA have ever said in an interview with anyone that " Iran is only a few months away from creating an atomic bomb. "

G its a pure and simple lie , fiction , no base in reality ,he never said those words and the JP claimed he did

what possible excuse can you have that this is not pure lies

there is a big difference between highlighting key points and actually taking the words of the head of the IAEA and changing them to words you prefer

he has never said Iran is building a bomb at all , cant you see that !

they are liars

By Blogger _H_, at December 07, 2005 4:17 am  

_H_, if you want to take the Logical Voice posting policy and post it on your site word for word, you are more than welcome. I think you will find rules 1, 2 and 5 most useful.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 11, 2005 5:16 am  

Thanks Djeb i will probably do that . , I also like your code of conduct for effective rational discussion which i have seen you post .... somewhere ..

I post it here for anyone that wants to know what i am talking about

http://www.ukpoliticsmisc.org.uk/usenet_evidence/argument.html

By Blogger _H_, at December 11, 2005 5:51 am  

It's based on the excellent (but pricy) book by Edward Damer.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 11, 2005 2:11 pm  

Regarding g's comments, they were a "figurative measure." Not meant to be taken seriously, let alone read.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 14, 2005 6:11 pm  

Is This the SECRET of the secret prisoners on the secret overflights by CIA

A new lead on the torture flights ?

< It is now clear that the "detainees" , "rendered prisoners" were provided with US Diplomatic Passports starting series No 600 - , so notionally they were agents of the US State - i.e to legal eagles like Albert Gonzalez and Libby's successor, Addington. These un-uniformed people often had no documentation - so the CIA simply provided them with some along the lines of the Nansen certificates of the Displaced peoples (DP's) in Europe durting and after WWII.

State Department Briefing Dec 1st

MR. MCCORMACK: Again, Glenn, all U.S. actions comply with U.S. laws. They comply with the United States Constitution and they comply with our international obligations. I'm not a lawyer. I can't tell you exactly what European laws are and how they mesh up with U.S. laws. I can only tell you that U.S. actions comply with U.S. laws. We don't ask our U.S. Government officials to do things that are illegal. They comply with the Constitution and they are consistent with our international obligations.

It is this wonderful legal charade that has enabled the US State Department to say with straight face and a lightly beating heart, that nobody's "rights" were affected.


(c) PostmanPatel 2005

http://www.postmanpatel.blogspot.com/

Note : This article was sent to me by a reader and i am publishing here for your own assesment . I can not vouch for the accuracy of the claim but there is enough information to deserve closer scrutiny . For the original article and any further claims please visit the link above

Have you seen Brazil?

-Hype

By Blogger Hype, at December 06, 2005 7:56 pm  

tell me more hype ?

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:25 pm  

Remember folks, these are the republicans who claim they comply with US law. First, the entire administration is comprised of known liars and the staffers who serve them must tell the lies the bosses expect them to.

Secondly, the Patriot Act permits all of this kind of heinous behavior, and coupled with the opinions written by the US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, there is no practical limit to what they can do to citizens or anyone else for that matter. So technically, they can claim they are obeying the US law, and as the Patriot Act was passed in the fashion prescribed by the Constitution, they may stretch a bit and say it is all 'constitutionally' on the up-and-up.

Liars all. We don't do that kind of thing and don't agree to it. It's only the rogue administration.

By Anonymous Nostradamnthem, at December 09, 2005 1:02 am  

"Liars all. We don't do that kind of thing and don't agree to it. It's only the rogue administration."

luckily the world knows that most americans are decent , moral and just people , the were brought up on the values of liberty and freedom


dont worry Nos , you will get your country back soon

By Blogger _H_, at December 09, 2005 3:56 am  

US Army admits Iraqis outnumber foreign fighters as its main enemy

Iraqis, rather than foreign fighters, now form the vast majority of the insurgents who are waging a ferocious guerrilla war against United States forces in Sunni western Iraq, American commanders have revealed.


Their conclusion, disclosed to the Sunday Telegraph in interviews over 10 days in battle-torn Anbar province, contradicts the White House message that outsiders are the principal enemy in Iraq.

Of 1,300 suspected insurgents arrested over the past five months in and around Ramadi, none has been a foreigner. Col John Gronski, senior officer in the town, Anbar's provincial capital, said that almost all insurgent fighting there was by Iraqis. Foreigners provided only money and logistical support.


Read the rest Here

Netanyahu: Israel should take out Iranian nuclear facilities

Jerusalem - Israel should undertake an operation to destroy the Iranian nuclear programme similar to the airstrike it launched against the nuclear reactor built by Saddam Hussein, leading opposition legislator and prime ministerial candidate Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday.




'Israel should not allow Iran to develop a nuclear threat against it,' Netanyahu, challenging to become leader of the Likud Party and its candidate for premier in the March 28 elections, told Israel Radio.

'I'm carrying the tradition of (former Israeli premier) Menahem Begin, who did not let one of Iran's neighbours, the Iraq of Saddam Hussein, develop such a threat against Israel and in a bold and daring strike bought us two decades. I believe this is what Israel should do,' he said.

Israeli jets bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osarik in summer 1981.

'The Iranian threat is a real one, a threat to the existence of Israel, from a state which has declared its intentions to destroy Israel,' Netanyahu said.

Premier Ariel Sharon said earlier in the day that while Iran should not be allowed to become a nuclear power, Israel was not spearheading attempts to stop it.

Army Chief of Staff Lieutenant-General Dan Halutz told foreign reporters in Tel Aviv that he doubted diplomacy would succeed in halting Iran's nuclear programme.

'I believe that the political methods used by the Europeans and the United States to convince the Iranians to stop the project will not succeed,' he said.

© dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur

It is, of course, illegal to treaten other nations with military attack.

By Blogger DJEB, at December 06, 2005 9:37 am  

very true

of course Iran has rhetotic and so does israel , but from my knowledge of recent history it is not Iran that starts wars or attacks nations first

Israel (as you know) have made it clear that they will attack Iran and recent history tells me that they mean it

I wonder what the excuse would be if it wasnt for the rogue nuke stories

i am sure they would come up with something :-)

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:52 am  

Israel will dupe the USA into attacking Iran. After all we are Israel's bitch.

Can't for the life of me figure out why this is. They really don't offer us squat, yet we finance their army?

Sad part is they will probably get their way.

By Anonymous somethingsphishy, at December 06, 2005 7:21 pm  

Phishy , you said "Israel will dupe the USA into attacking Iran."

exactly and a perfect example of that is the lies printed in yesterdays Jerusalem Post (see post further up) is a perfect example

and see the hundreds of right wing blogs that have repeated the lies


so be sure your correct they will get their way , just as they got their way with Iraq

and it will be based on lies

just as it was with Iraq

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 9:29 pm  

America slowly confronts the truth

The Independent Watching the pathetic, old, lie-on-its-back frightened labrador of the American media changing overnight into a vicious rottweiler is one of the enduring pleasures of society in the United States. I have been experiencing this phenomenon over the past two weeks, as both victim and beneficiary

In New York and Los Angeles, my condemnation of the American presidency and Israel's continued settlement-building in the West Bank was originally treated with the disdain all great papers reserve for those who dare to question proud and democratic projects of state. In The New York Times, that ancient luminary Ethan Bonner managed to chide me for attacking American journalists who - he furiously quoted my own words - "report in so craven a fashion from the Middle East - so fearful of Israeli criticism that they turn Israeli murder into 'targeted attacks' and illegal settlements into 'Jewish neighbourhoods'."

It was remarkable that Bonner should be so out of touch with his readers that he did not know that "craven" is the very word so many Americans apply to their grovelling newspapers (and quite probably one reason why newspaper circulations are falling so disastrously).

But the moment that a respected Democratic congressman and Vietnam war veteran in Washington dared to suggest that the war in Iraq was lost, that US troops should be brought home now - and when the Republican response was so brutal it had to be disowned - the old media dog sniffed the air, realised that power was moving away from the White House, and began to drool.

On live television in San Francisco, I could continue my critique of America's folly in Iraq uninterrupted. Ex-Mayor Willie Brown - who allowed me to have my picture taken in his brand new pale blue Stetson - exuded warmth towards this pesky Brit (though he claimed on air that I was an American) who tore into his country's policies in the Middle East. It was enough to make you feel the teeniest bit sorry - though only for a millisecond, mark you - for the guy in the White House.

All this wasn't caused by that familiar transition from Newark to Los Angeles International, where the terror of al-Qa'ida attacks is replaced by fear of the ozone layer. On the east coast, too, the editorials thundered away at the Bush administration. Seymour Hersh, that blessing to American journalism who broke the Abu Ghraib torture story, produced another black rabbit out of his Iraqi hat with revelations that US commanders in Iraq believe the insurgency is now out of control.

When those same Iraqi gunmen this week again took control of the entire city of Ramadi (already "liberated" four times by US troops since 2003), the story shared equal billing on prime time television with Bush's latest and infinitely wearying insistence that Iraqi forces - who in reality are so infiltrated by insurgents that they are a knife in America's back - will soon be able to take over security duties from the occupation forces.

Even in Hollywood - and here production schedules prove that the rot must have set in more than a year ago - hitherto taboo subjects are being dredged to the surface of the political mire. Jarhead, produced by Universal Pictures, depicts a brutal, traumatised Marine unit during the 1991 Gulf War.

George Clooney's production of Good Night, and Good Luck, a devastating black-and-white account of Second World War correspondent Ed Murrow's heroic battle with Senator McCarthy in the 1950s - its theme is the management and crushing of all dissent - has already paid for its production costs twice over. Murrow is played by an actor but McCarthy appears only in real archive footage. Incredibly, a test audience in New York complained that the man "playing" McCarthy was "overacting". Will we say this about Messrs Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld in years to come? I suspect so.

And then there's Syriana, Clooney's epic of the oil trade which combines suicide bombers, maverick CIA agents (one of them played by Clooney himself), feuding Middle East Arab potentates - one of whom wants real democracy and wealth for his people and control of his own country's resources - along with a slew of disreputable businessmen and east coast lawyers. The CIA eventually assassinates the Arab prince who wants to take control of his own country's oil (so much for democracy) - this is accomplished with a pilotless aerial bomb guided by men in a room in Virginia - while a Pakistani fired from his job in the oil fields because an American conglomerate has downsized for its shareholders' profits destroys one of the company's tankers in a suicide attack.

"People seem less afraid now," Clooney told an interviewer in Entertainment magazine. "Lots of people are starting to ask questions. It's becoming hard to avoid the questions." Of course, these questions are being asked because of America's more than 2,000 fatalities in Iraq rather than out of compassion for Iraq's tens of thousands of fatalities. They are being pondered because the whole illegal invasion of Iraq is ending in calamity rather than success.

Yet still they avoid the "Israel" question. The Arab princes in Syriana - who in real life would be obsessed with the occupation of the West Bank - do not murmur a word about Israel. The Arab al-Qa'ida operative who persuades the young Pakistani to attack an oil tanker makes no reference to Israel - as every one of bin Laden's acolytes assuredly would. It was instructive that Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 did not mention Israel once.

So one key issue of the Middle East remains to be confronted. Amy Goodman, whom I used to enrage by claiming that her leftist Democracy Now programme - broadcast from a former Brooklyn fire station - had only three listeners (one of whom was Amy Goodman), is bravely raising this unmentionable subject. Partly as a result, her "alternative" radio and television station - how I hate that prissy word "alternative" - is slowly moving into the mainstream.

Americans are ready to discuss the United States' relationship with Israel. And America's injustices towards the Arabs. As usual, ordinary Americans are way out in front of their largely tamed press and television reporters. Now we have to wait and see if the media boys and girls will catch up with their own people.

Russia to Supply Iran with a billion dollar weapons deal

All Russian weaponry supplied to Iran is purely for defensive purpose, the Foreign Ministry said Saturday, responding to news reports that Moscow was selling more than $1 billion worth of missiles and other defense systems to Tehran.





Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kaminin did not comment on any specifics of weapons deals, saying in a statement only that they were "exclusively defensive weapons."

"All contracts concluded in the military-technical cooperation area fully comply with our international commitments, including in the sphere of nonproliferation, and are in full compliance with Russian law," he said, according to the statement.

The statement appeared to be timed to head off the expected heated reaction from the United States following reports in Russian media Friday that Russian and Iranian officials had signed contracts in November that would send up to 30 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran over the next two years.

Interfax said the Tor-M1 system could identify up to 48 targets and fire at two targets simultaneously at a height of up to 6,100 meters.

Arab distrust of US growing at alarming rate

People in Arab nations believe the Iraq war has brought less peace, more terrorism and contrary to Washington's claims, will result in less democracy, a new poll indicates.






The survey of six Arab countries, also found a plurality of respondents got their news from Aljazeera, currently at the centre of a storm over an alleged US idea to bomb its headquarters.

When asked which country was the biggest threat to them, most respondents chose Israel or the United States, while France was nominated as the country most respondents would like to be a superpower.

The University of Maryland/Zogby International poll published on Friday was conducted in Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in October.

Eighty-one per cent of respondents said the Iraq war had brought "less peace" to the Middle East, while only 6% believed it had enhanced peace.

Seventy-eight per cent of people questioned believed the Iraq war had resulted in more terrorism than before, while 58% said it brought less democracy, with only 9% believing it enhanced democratic development.

While the administration of President George Bush frequently argues that it has liberated Iraqis from Saddam Hussein, only 6% of those surveyed believed that the Iraqi people were better off after the war. Seventy-seven per cent thought they were worse off.

"In addition to the Arab-Israeli issue, which has been the prism of how Arabs have looked at the US, there is an added new prism, and that is Iraq," said Shibley Telhami, Anwar Sadat Professor for Peace and Development at the University of Maryland.

Only 6% thought spreading democracy was an objective in the war in Iraq, while 76% thought control of oilfields was important, and 68% believed support for Israel was the key motivating factor.

"The American presence itself is something they fear ... the perception of threat is there, because it does mean that in general people are rooting against the US in Iraq," said Telhami.

The survey makes unwelcome reading for US diplomats, who have repeatedly tried to improve US standing in the Middle East.

Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy Karen Hughes confronted some of the hostility during a regional visit in September.

The poll also asked, in a world with one superpower, which c country respondents would like to fulfil that role.

Twenty-one per cent said France, 13% said China and 10% said Pakistan. Only 6% voted for the United States, which came in just behind Britain, at 7%.


AFP

It's hardly surprising that what remains of American credibility is going down the pan in Arab countries. The administration clearly do not know how to spin outside their own narrow arena and theatre viz. the American public and media. On the other hand there seems to be a sizeable idiotic minority in the U.S. who willingly drink in the spin and the dross. The real yardstick of American civilisation is how long it takes for the rump who still believe Bush/Rice/Rumsfelt/Cheney to shrink to 25%.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 06, 2005 10:13 pm  

thanks for visiting Anonymous

You said "there seems to be a sizeable idiotic minority in the U.S. who willingly drink in the spin and the dross."

and dont I know , I deal with them everyday

It does please me that this Minority is shrinking , but in my view it is vital to world peace and security that no part of the Neocon agenda gains control of the US in 2008

And on that point there is still much work to be done

By Blogger _H_, at December 06, 2005 10:56 pm