Todays 9/11 ' audio tapes' in full
Here are all the links to todays audio tape releases from the week of 9/11
"The histories, recorded in the weeks after the September 11th attack, offer some of the most detailed and intimate descriptions of the day's horror as seen through the eyes of the firefighters who made the iconic rush into the twin towers, and lost three hundred and forty-three of their brethren."
All links from CBS
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CD 21 is not related
not to jump off topic H, but I have a post you have got to read... This thing is good.
Israel could give up more W.Bank settlements
(Reuters) - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon raised the prospect on Friday that Israel could eventually uproot more settlements on occupied land after it evacuates its enclaves in Gaza and a pocket of the West Bank in coming weeks.
Sharon, in an interview with the newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, reiterated that his "disengagement plan" was meant to strengthen Israel's hold on West Bank settlement blocs, which it intends to keep under any future peace deal with Palestinians.
However, asked about the fate of some of the more isolated West Bank settlements, Sharon said: "Not everything will remain. That issue will be raised during the final stage of negotiations with the Palestinians."
With five days to go before the start of Israel's eviction of Gaza settlers, Sharon's comments hinted at a softening of his stance against further withdrawals.
In the face of fierce rightist opposition to his pullout plan, Sharon has recently insisted he has no intention of giving up any more settlements beyond the 21 in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank scheduled for evacuation.
But a Sharon confidant said: "He has never ruled out that Israel would eventually have to give up some things -- but in the distant future when there is full peace and security."
Sunnis 'shocked' by Shiite call for autonomy
Iraq's ousted Sunni Arab elite expressed alarm Friday after the country's Shiite majority made a surprise move towards Kurdish-style autonomy, just days before a crucial deadline for agreement on a new constitution.
Thursday's call from leading Shiite politician Abdul Aziz al-Hakim for autonomy in Shiite areas of south and central Iraq angered Sunni Arab leaders who said it could derail the entire political process.
"We are shocked and scared by the demand for autonomy as expressed by my Shiite brothers," said Salah al-Motlag, a key Sunni member of the constitutional drafting committee.
"The timing of the demand is wrong with just three days left to go for the deadline. Such demands can delay the constitution and Iraq could be without a constitution for another year."
CIA finds Iranian president likely not hostage-taker
CIA report has determined with "relative certainty" that Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was not involved in the taking of U.S. hostages 26 years ago, three government officials told CNN on Friday.
The officials insisted on anonymity, saying they did not want to speak for the CIA about its report.
Another U.S. official said the tone of the report is that there is no evidence to date that the new Iranian president was among those who held U.S. diplomats hostage.
Pakistan tests cruise missile
ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan successfully tested its first nuclear-capable, ground-launched cruise missile yesterday without informing India in advance, a Pakistani military spokesman said.
Nuclear-armed rivals Pakistan and India reached an agreement last week to inform each other about missile tests but the spokesman, Major General Shaukut Sultan, said India was not told about the test because the new Babur missile is not a ballistic missile.
''We don't have to inform neighboring countries in this case. It is not a ballistic missile and it doesn't fall under the agreement," he said.
The Babur, which has a range of 310 miles, is a terrain-hugging missile that can avoid radar detection and strike with pinpoint accuracy, the military said.
''By conducting the successful test, Pakistan has joined a select group of countries which have the capability to design and develop cruise missiles," the military said in a statement.
Pakistan and India tested nuclear weapons in 1998
villagers say 'bomb killed civilians'
QALAT, Afghanistan -- Afghan villagers said yesterday that US warplanes had bombed houses, killing several civilians and wounding others, including an infant. US forces suffered their sixth fatality in a week amid rising violence.
Zabul Governor Ali Khail said that US-led coalition forces made ''a mistake" during operations against militants in the southern province and that civilians had died.
But the US military denied that civilians were at the scene of the fighting in Day Chopan district on Monday, and the district's police chief said Taliban insurgents had been hiding in the area. American officials said earlier that 18 suspected Taliban guerrillas and a US service member had been killed in the clash.
Another US service member died yesterday when militants ambushed a group of American military engineers near a road construction project in Paktika Province. Another service member was wounded.
The death was the sixth US fatality since Aug. 4 when three US forces were killed in military operations in eastern Afghanistan. On Tuesday, an American service member died in a roadside bomb.
The US Defense Department's website says at least 176 American troops have died in and around the country since Operation Enduring Freedom began in late 2001 to topple the Taliban regime. The Web posting was last updated Wednesday.
Two villagers at a hospital in Qalat, the capital of Zabul, said their home village of Rauf had been pounded by American bombs on Monday night and early Tuesday.
''The children were crying, and they were very afraid," said a weeping Sadia Bibi, 50. ''These planes killed my relatives. We are poor and innocent people. Why are they killing us?"
New York opens up 9/11 files
The city of New York has released thousands of fire department files from the attacks on the World Trade Center.
They include transmissions recorded on 11 September 2001 and testimonies from firefighters which were gathered later.
The city was forced to release the documents following a lawsuit filed by the New York Times, and supported by relatives of firefighters who died.
Records already published by the paper have raised questions whether some of the deaths might have been avoided.
More than 340 firefighters lost their lives on 11 September 2001. Many died after radio messages telling them to evacuate the north tower went unheard.
Last year a congressional inquiry into the attacks said there was a breakdown in communications between the emergency services.
for the full story goto the BBC
ACLU 'have 60,000 documents of US torture and abuse'
NEW YORK -- In legal papers unsealed today, the American Civil Liberties Union urged a federal court to order the release of photographs and videos that depict the abuse and torture of prisoners in U.S. custody at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The ACLU also asked the court to reject the government's attempt to file some of its legal arguments in secret.
"The ACLU shares everyone's deep concern about the dangers facing American soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "The actions depicted in these photos and videos demonstrate the failure of American leaders who placed our young men and women in compromising situations and are now seeking to blame them for it. The real shame here is that our leaders left our troops out on a limb and now they are hiding behind a veil of rank and government office to avoid accountability."
Romero noted that until the first photos of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib were made public in April 2004, the government had consistently denied that any wrongdoing had taken place despite news reports to the contrary. Since then, the ACLU has obtained through a court order more than 60,000 pages of government documents regarding torture and abuse of detainees.
Despite this evidence, the government continues to minimize the extent of the torture and to describe it as the action of a few rogue soldiers.
In response, the ACLU has called for an independent counsel with subpoena power to investigate the torture scandal, including the role of senior policymakers, and has filed a separate lawsuit to hold Secretary Rumsfeld and high-ranking military officers accountable
H, you and I both know this is crap. the ACLU should be the AACLU (Anti-American Civil Liberties Union).
They will stop at nothing to try and impede all efforts by our country to protect itself or its citizens. These are the some people suing the NY subway system for bag checks. Everything they do is centered around publicity and fundraising.
out of those sixty pages, my guess is they really have 2 incidents that would really make the world cringe. And those two incidents have already been tried, with resulting convictions.
These guys are the worst armpit of "patriotism" the world has yet seen. They would gladly sell out our country to any enemy, and then in the aftermath, blame those whos hands they tied, for inaction.
Really read more into these guys, and you will see that they consistantly support EVERY low-life, anti-moral, bottom feeder in the nation. You will also start to see some of the strong communist and socalist ties they have.
The fact that they have global media coverage is just sick.
to be honest G i dont know alot about them or there history but who ever they are (havn't heard of them over here) as they say they have obtained 60,000 documents by court order is quite a claim . and do not think (like every other post i do) that by putting it here i accept it all as true .. i have no idea , i present here exactly what they are stating .. it is a hell of a claim .. and you can't dismiss someone who makes such a claim without investigation (i have done done)
they obviously found a judge or whatever that allowed them these files and they i assume applied for them under the FOIA
if like you say G they are wrong and talking rubish then i am sure it will come out , but if 1 or 2 or 50 or whatever are of real concern then surely you would want that to be routed out wouldnt you ?
my point is that you obviously dis like this group .. i have no opinion of them at all , i dont know them .. so i go with the facts that i can see
60,00 documents that are 'claimed' to be connected to torture , and court has released them
i dont feel the need to jump at them or defend them at this point .. it is a claim and time will tell
if they are wrong then they lose credibility .. i will hold fire on this one for now
They sway back and forth with creditability depending on the American public's current desire for governement bashing. We go in tides of high and low enthusiasim to beat up our governemnt. Originally this group was on the forefront of civil liberty rights, but for the last 10 years or so, they have degenerated to nothing more then publicity whores. And they really are the enemy within. No matter what threat we face, they will consistantly stop anything that could be percieved by the smallest minority as an infringment upon civil liberties. Reguardless if the potential "victim" is a US citizen or not, if Nation or Local governments are involved, they jump in with huge legal teams (that cost insane ammounts of money). Their root cause has goon from defending the rights of Americans to fundraising and political activism.
Many times, this stuff gets dismissed because it is just more "pomp and circumstance" than anything. But you can bet your bottom dollar they will rake in hundreds of thousands in fundraising over this stuff.
I love the ACLU. I don't see my government worrying so much about my best interest. G if you had a crazy neighbor who for petty reasons accused you of maybe dealing with terrorists. And they decide because of your past military training that you would be a perfect fit for gitmo. This organization would speak on your behalf, in a place where you have no voice. True they do worry about foreign fighters and such. But can you say for sure that all the prisoners at gitmo are guilty? Is it not possible that maybe some of these prisoners were in the wrong place at the wrong time. To indefinitely imprison people with out a trial, or in such secretive conditions is the exact opposite of freedom and democracy. You have to practice what you preach, and lead by example. Gitmo is a real bad example set by us.
Really? Where are they on CAIR getting D.C. talk show hosts knocked off the air for "offensive to Muslims" content in their radio shows?
And the Gitmo boys, well, if by wrong place and wrong time you mean Afghanistan with a gun in/at Taliban and Al Qeada posts, then I guess.
We act like Gitmo is a new thing. In every war, there are bases set up as POW camps. And POW's never have been given access to lawyers and/or family. We are the only ones (by that I mean the West) who even let the Red Cross/Red Cressent to visit. And now we let in media... just to get balked at by everyone for having a POW camp.
The ACLU is not out for you and me, they are out for any cause that will tear a little more of the fabric of American society. Hence they support ANYTHING that is aginst Christianity, but become champions of religion for Islam.
G .. be fair
of 24 people released from Gitmo to there own countries .. all have been released with 48 hours
example in 2003 three people were sent home to afghan .. two were in there late 70's and one was a forteen year old boy
5 britons released .. all were set free within 24 hours
dont tell me they are terrorists
they are people in the wrong place at the wrong time
all it takes to end up in gitmo is an angry afghan to say you are a terrorist
who the hell is defending there rights ?
Thank you H, for verbalizing what I failed to say. G, how can you say the government is looking out for your best interest more so then ACLU? Also christianity is not some perfect no fault religion in it's self.
I dont claim that phish.. (Catholics have done a number on its reputation). I will get into it later with yall, my wife is calling for my company and some wine.
Phish, stop by, I have a post you and H will both like.
It doesn't surprise me in the least that the ACLU would have so much documentation on torture and abuse.
Given the widespread, systematic and sanctioned nature of torture and abuse by US troops throughout Iraq and Afghanistan (and indeed elsewhere), I don't see why the number of documents obtained by the ACLU should be questioned.
Let's take a look at a couple of examples:
Transcripts of testimonies given at Guantanamo torture chamber:
Excerpts from an FBI memo specifically mentioning an Executive Order authorising torture and abuse (In PDF format):
"No BOC employee....witnessed the abuse at Abu Gharayb....that went beyond the parameters of the executive order".
"Our questions relate to the instruction in the EO to report abuse. The EO states that if an FBI employee knows or suspects non-FBI personnel has abused or is abusing or mistreating a detainee, the FBI must report the incident".
"We assume this does not include lawful interrogation techniques authorised by Executive Order".
As yet, that Executive Order has not been made available.
And finally, i've taken a look at Bush regime directives and executive orders here:
todays 'last throws' 11th August
Source: ReutersBAGHDAD, Aug 11 (Reuters) - Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on Thursday, Aug. 11, as of 1115 GMT.
U.S. and Iraqi forces are battling a Sunni Arab insurgency against the Shi'ite and Kurdish-led government in Baghdad.
THULUIYA - U.S forces killed two insurgents as they repelled a small-arms fire attack in the town of Thuluiya, 70km north of Baghdad, the U.S. army said.
Five people were arrested following the attack. There were no U.S casualties, the army said.
BAGHDAD - An Iraqi police officer was assassinated in western Baghdad's Mansour district as he was driving to work, a hospital official said.
BASRA - Iraqi army Lieutenant-Colonel Ibrahim Khalil al-Rawi was assassinated by gunmen in the southern Iraqi city of Basra, hospital officials said.
KIRKUK - The body of an Iraqi translator working for U.S forces was found in central Kirkuk after he was kidnapped by masked gunmen in the northern oil city of Kirkuk, police spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Yadgar Mohammed said.
Not in my name
with all the recent opinion about muslims going around .. so often people miss what is being done by muslims and what is being said
so it is about time that sites like this
were mentioned more often
did you read that post H?
I still dont think Islam as it exists today can ever be moderate. A change in the theology is needed, not moderation of existing interpretation.
yes .. but i really feel that you need to read the words of those that are muslims to judge G .. i dont feel that outside looking in is any kind of rule
the majority of muslim clerics teach peace .. sadly it is the minority that get all the press
and as i have said many times .. you can take any meaning you want from the texts and many people have warped the view
for every nasty word people claim to be in the quran i have seen just as many that talk of peace and how wrong it is to take a life .. any life
these people who dont see that are not true muslims .. they are warped G ..
the logic applied to muslims these days is very similar to the logic some feminists apply to men
99 % of murders are comitted by men
99% of rapes are committed by men
so therefore ALL men are evil
no the fact is the terrorists are using a warped version of islam .. you really really need to seperate these groups from the faithfull believers who have no desire to take over the world
anymore then you desire to bring about revelations
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Ok, H... lets sit on this one and see how much of an impact the "moderate" muslims have. I am not sure what support you are wanting them to get from folks... but I tell you what. If they really do not condone this stuff, then lets see them start cutting off finances and support. Lets see them start issuing more Fatwas (spelling). Not just one a year or so, but like one a week against this stuff. Let see some webcasts of their own. Lets see them hit the extremist websites and overload them with the "message of peace."
When this happens, I will believe that A.) They exist, and B.) they really want this to stop.
But until then, I will see this crap as nothing but deceptive PR.
G if you sit on this one and do nothing but complain then as you say .. nothing will change
you know G i am white / western / non religious
and i hate to say this but with your attitude to the moderates being on the verge of racsist
i would not be suprised if they join up with the extremists you think they are
and then you will say "see i told you" and not even spot that you had something to do with it
H, I know that my views are getting borderline. I dont like it, but they keep showing me example after example of why those views may not be too far off. Racism is something I have always deplored, when I lived with my mother in a "welfare appartement" and had many minority friends, I learned never to use race as a qualifier. In the Marines I learned that they guy next to you will save your life reguardless of race/religion. But the rate things have gone, Islam hasnt done much to try and break the mold here. The "moderates" you speak of are too far and few between. They will not fight for what THEY belive in, and instead allow radicals to put a stamp on their religion.
Bush makes comment on Sheehan
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush said Thursday he understands and respects the views of anti-war advocates like a California mother camped outside his Texas ranch to mourn her soldier son fallen in Iraq, but said it would be a mistake to bring U.S. troops home now.
"I understand the anguish that some feel about the death that takes place," Bush said.
"I also have heard the voices of those saying: 'Pull out now!' " he said. "And I've thought about their cry and their sincere desire to reduce the loss of life by pulling our troops out. I just strongly disagree."
Immediate withdrawal "would send a terrible signal to the enemy," the president said.
Cindy Sheehan has been camped along a road near Bush's ranch since Saturday, asking to talk to Bush about her son Casey and vowing to remain until his Texas vacation ends later this month. Casey was killed five days after he arrived in Iraq last year. He was 24.
"I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan," Bush said. "She feels strongly about her position, and she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America. She has a right to her position, and I thought long and hard about her position. I've heard her position from others, which is: Get out of Iraq now. And it would be a mistake for the security of this country and the ability to lay the foundations for peace in the long run if we were to do so."
9/11 Pentagon responds to claims of prior knowledge of Atta
The US Defense Department has provided an independent commission with information about an intelligence operation that a lawmaker said identified a hijacker a year before the attacks of September 11, 2001, a spokesman said.
But the spokesman said the Pentagon remains uncertain what level of detail was provided to the official commission that investigated the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon.
"We are looking into what information - and in what detail - was provided to the commission, but as I understand it, at least some of this information was provided," said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman.
"We are looking to better understand what information was developed and then what information was also provided to (the commission)," he said.
Asked whether there was knowledge of Mohammed Atta, the reputed leader of the September 11 hijackers, before the attacks, Whitman said: "We're looking further into it."
Bottom line, the former policies that created a seperation of Outside intel to Inside intel sharing caused this to happen. That has been fixed. Clinton instituted the seperation between them under the impression that it would keep "Big Brother" out of citizen's lives. Hindsight is 20/20. Now its fixed. This is just more crap going back and forth about "whos fault it was" that 9/11 happened.
I get tired of this crap from our governemnt. To me, Osama is to blame, Atta is to blame, but our governement is not to blame. They need to quit pointing fingers and get to work.
it depends what the question is G
who commited the acts of sept 11th .. well the answer is osama etc
why did they commit such acts
i have to word this so not create offence .. NOBODY can justify sept 11th of course
but you can see how american foriegn policy from the 1980's to the present brought this to the for front
america intervening in the middle east for it's own benifit has angered alot of people G
you make it sound like this started at sept 11th , it didnt .. the world is not so simple
as usual .. i agree with you that these guys are terrible and they have no excuse
i do not agree that the american government is free from blame .. be it this one (the worst) or the previous three
If I sleep with your wife, are you in any way justified for murdering me?
If I stole your buisness, are you justified by killing my family?
If American administrations rigged your elections 30 years ago, are you justified in plowing a plane into buildings to kill massive ammounts of people?
The logic is the same here. We cannot not try to understand WHY they do stuff. We cant, they are on a different playing field, a different mindset.
hehehe G ,,that wasnt my point .. i actually said 'NOBODY can justify sept 11th of course'
but if you slept with my wife , would i kill you .. probably
to understand why is not to justify
it seems from our many little chats that the difference between us really is not that much G
you still genuinly believe that this war can be won by force
i do not
and once you accept that everytime you kill one you create 2 more , and that you can not win against people who will not put on a uniform and fight you then you have to look at what you can do
again .. the only people that can win this war is the muslims thereselves
no tanks or planes mean shit in this war ..
the quicker people get behind the ones that can actually stop the bombing the better
I think we can keep using force, and other tactics. I think your guys shutting down web-sites, and kicking out radicals is another decent tool. I think cutting their financing is also neccissary. Once you marginalize them, their attacks become less spectacular. Then the recruiting dries up.
you know what i think is funny .. these web sites we shut down .. and when i come across letters from al-qaeda i wont publish them
but there i was yesterday trawling the web when i went to the CENTCOM web site and would you believe it .. all the letters and comments i refuse to put out are being advertised IN FULL on the american's own military site
so tell me .. whats the point of banning them now
you still seem to avoid what i see as the key issue ...
the moderate muslims ...
they are the ones who will finally defeat extremists
not some brit or yank christian with a gun but there own kind
they have to log them by DoD mandate. Yet again, our government at work in all its glory.
Moderate Muslims do not exist in the way it is taught right now. Lazy muslims do, but not moderate. The religion needs a philosiphy change, because moderation in any religion is always open for "strict" interpratation
i disagree with you here G but my answer is on the post "not in my name" else we end up having the same debate in 2 places
Multiculturalism is backed by 62% of Britains
This is a small survey but it seems we are not as racist as the terrorists and the far right would want us to be...
Another small step for common sense
Multiculturalism is backed by 62% of the population, who say it makes Britain a better place to live, according to new figures.
The Mori poll for the BBC found fewer Muslims than other groups think Britain is becoming less racially tolerant.
A total of 31% said they believed this was the case, compared with 39% of people generally.
According to another 31% of Muslims, we are becoming more tolerant, 32% have seen no change and 6% declined to answer or did not know.
In addition, the number of Britons who regard themselves as racially prejudiced has fallen from 30% in 2003 to 25% now.
The Mori poll on August 8 and 9 involved 1,004 adults as well as 204 booster interviews among Muslims.
But the poll also records mixed responses to questions about the integration of immigrant communities.
Nationally, 82% think immigrants who become British citizens should be made to learn English while 90% of Muslims think citizenship should require a knowledge of English.
In addition, the number of Britons who regard themselves as racially prejudiced has fallen from 30% in 2003 to 25% now.
If things keep going they way they have... that will change...
well i can't speak for you but i would prefere a world where we all get on .
as i have said many times .. the american army will not win this war , the british army will not win this war , iraq , iran , syria , are mere distractions ,
who will win this war
the moderate muslims are the only people who the terrorists will listen to
in this country we have just started an excellent new policy . the extreme muslims we have in jails are now getting visits from the sensible clerics , who are teaching them why they are wrong , why they are reading the quran wrong and how they can not do this in the name of muslims
the longer you take to get behind he moderates , the longer this war will go on
think G ... what you do is EXACTLY what al-qaeda want you to do
to isolate all muslims as the bad guys .. your playing into there hand
I disagree. I think Osama wants us lulled to sleep with multiculturalism and "acceptance". I think that Radical Islam, as an orginization, was planning a massive gobal assault to dramatically change the geopolitical scene in their favor.
I think they underestimated the world and the US. I think they sprung their plans a little too early, and now the cats out of the bag. I think that "moderate Islam" is a dream that has not been realized yet.
Why? Becuase orginizations like CAIR try to make us "multicultural" and acceptant of Islam, but then are tied to terrorist orginizations. Everyday citizens, with families and good jobs suddenly become suicide bombers. Young dreamers, who have their whole life ahead of them will gladly sacrafice themselves for a chance to please their wrathful and vengful god.
But hey, I guess we are just on different pages. :p
am not arguing about any particular group G but surely there are some moderate muslims you can work with ??
if you are saying that ALL muslims are bad then you just sound as crazy as Osama's lot
they want a world that is just muslim , you want a world that is completly non muslim
sorry G ... we can live in peace together ... maybe not with this group or that group
but again i feel your point is wedged with a believe that you can actually win this war
that is a myth
I dont think all Muslim's are bad. I do think that their religion is (in its current state.)
Check out this guys post, it actually seems to be a comprimise between our positions.
Liberty and Culture
interesting stuff ... what i would call fair and balanced muslim views would be the new post i just put up , check it out
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IRAQI: IRAN SMUGGLING REPORTS EXAGGERATED
BAGHDAD, Iraq -
Iraq's interior minister said Wednesday that reports of deadly roadside bombs being smuggled into this country from Iran are exaggerated
On Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said some insurgent weapons are entering Iraq from Iran although it's unclear whether they were coming from elements of the Iranian government or from other parties.
Interior Minister Bayan Jabr told reporters that Iraqi security forces recently opened fire on a group of men carrying boxes near the Iranian border. The men dropped the boxes and fled back into Iranian territory. Inside the boxes were dynamite sticks with some wires.
"This is all that happened at the border and was very much exaggerated," Jabr said.
Appearing before parliament, Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari dodged questions about the use of Iranian weapons by the insurgents. Al-Jaafari, who spent years in exile in Iran, referred questions to the interior and defense ministries.
Al-Jaafari was responding to a question by a Shiite Muslim legislator, Hussein al-Sadr, about U.S. allegations that weapons were coming in from Iran.
"Concerning me, I don't comment on reports especially if they are coming from abroad," al-Jaafari said. "It should not be that someone says something and we sit here and open a conversation about it. We have our own sources."
U.S. officials in Gitmo transfer talks
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States and at least 10 other nations are involved in negotiations that could drop the detainee population at Guantanamo Bay by 80 percent -- or 410 people -- within the coming months, State Department officials said.
Saudi Arabia and Yemen are among the countries in "various stages of discussion" with the Bush administration about the return of their citizens in the next two months, said the two U.S. officials who hold senior posts.
Last week the United States and Afghanistan announced an agreement on a similar transfer.
The United States has 510 detainees from 34 countries in custody at Guantanamo.
Citizens from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Yemen account for the majority of those detainees with 129, 110 and 107 respectively, the two U.S. officials said.
Detainees whom the United States considers "really bad guys" will remain in Guantanamo, the officials said, but in coming months the facility population could drop to about 100.
Sheehan tells Hadley 'get that maniac out here !'
“That lying bastard, George Bush, is taking a five-week vacation in time of war,” Cindy Sheehan told 200 cheering members of Veterans For Peace at their annual convention in Dallas last Friday evening. She then announced she would go to Bush’s vacation home in nearby Crawford, Texas and camp out until he “tells me why my son died in Iraq. I’ve got the whole month of August off, and so does he.”
Sheehan left the VFP meeting on Saturday morning and is now in Crawford with a couple dozen veterans and local peace activists, waiting for Bush to talk with her. She said in Dallas that if he sends anyone else to see her, as happened when national security adviser Steve Hadley and deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin did later that day, she would demand that “You get that maniac out here to talk with me in person.”
She told the audience of veterans from World War Two to today’s war in Iraq, that the two main things she plans to tell the man she holds responsible for son Casey’s death are “Quit saying that U.S. troops died for a noble cause in Iraq, unless you say, ‘well, except for Casey Sheehan.’ Don’t you dare spill any more blood in Casey’s name. You do not have permission to use my son’s name.”
“And the other thing I want him to tell me is ‘just what was the noble cause Casey died for?’ Was it freedom and democracy? Bullshit! He died for oil. He died to make your friends richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. We’re not freer here, thanks to your PATRIOT Act. Iraq is not free. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism,” she exclaimed.
“There, I used the ‘I’ word – imperialism,” the 48 year-old mother quipped. “And now I’m going to use another ‘I’ word – impeachment – because we cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail.”
This chick has every right to dissent, she has every right to disagree with policies, but after her account of the President's visit with her in 2004, and her new version, I cant take her creditably.
To me, this isnt a grieving mother, its political activism riding on the coat-tails of grieving parent sentiment.
Disagree? Why does the media not show parents that agree with current plolicy? Why does the media not ask Cindy why her recolection of events has changed so drastically.
While emotions can chagne, events cannot. Bush cannot give her the present of happiness and closure in 2004, but in 2005 he now acted like it was a party and didnt care...
This is crap, and shame on the Media for hyping it.
i can not speak for her motive G , and i have Motive of my own
i genuinly believe we were wrong to invade a soveriegn nation without legal authority and believe that (without making things worse) we need to get out as quick as possible
finish the israel/palastinian issue
allow them to control there own resources
remove ALL US and British troops from the Middle east completely
some people dont listen to evidence but they do listen to emotion , and a mother who lost her son brings emotion
i admit i am biased here G , but i support her
I really dont doubt her motives, or feel I have any right to question her protest. I question how the reaccount of events went from day to night so quickly.
And if we go Xenophobic and pull all the troops home, the Chinese will move in quickly. Half those countries in the Middle East love that we are there. UAE, Qatar, and Kuwait are three great examples. They think having Americans there is absolutely fantastic. But that doesnt get much press coverage.
The middle east is THE epicenter of the most strategicly vital asset of the world. To pull our troops completly out would be to invite ANY of our other enemies direct access to a quick strangle hold on our nations.
Israel and Palestine... almost 30 years now, and still no plan has worked... Not really thinking WE can ever change that one.
it is there asset G , it belongs to them . not to the west ..
it is not ours to protect
you really think the chinese would "invade" or sumit
now way jose
you have nukes / china has nukes .. you wont go agaisnt then and they wont go agaisnt you
but this concept that america has some devine right to the oil etc in the middle east is straight from the handbook of imperelism .
it is not yours G .. if they decide tomorrow that the US should not have that oil then that is there right ..
Its not a devine right, its a necessity. If right now every oil producing nation cut their distribution to the UK, would you expect your governemnt to so "well, ok, it is yours to start with"?
Nope. We are not talking about a neat toy or a cool exhibit at a show. This is the life blood of the world. The only thing stopping us, or any other major power from invading, and TAKING the oil is our enlightened sense of sovernty (spelling).
World Wars were fought over less than this stuff.
it is not G , we have north sea oil and if someone came in and took that then we would nuke them
erm maybe this is why you dont want the middle east with nukes
it belongs to them . it is in there country
you have NO right to it at all , unless they decide to sell it to you
do the africans have a right to your electricity ?
do the brits have a right to your corn grown in your field
life sucks sometimes G but they OIL is theres .. we have not a single right to it at all
and if we have decided to build a society dependant on oil that we dont have then who exactly do you think has been stupid
it isnt them
What else would have been done with Oil if we didnt use it? The middle east was built on the shoulders of OUR innovation. They depend on us as much as we depend on them. The only reason their deserts are worth anything is because the "West" inveted machines that could use the black crap comming out of the ground over there.
And while in the world of sensabilities, you are right, the world of realities, wars are fought over things like this. One nation needs something, and another has it. Either they can trade, or they go to war. They will continue to trade, because they could never use it all. But if for some reason, they cut off any one country in the world... there would be a war. Vital assets have always been the root causes of war. Tribes would fight over hunting territory. Cities would fight over fishing rights. Nations will fight over oil.
To claim us as stupid for making an oil dependant society is like saying it was stupid to invent the use of electricty. It just doesnt play out. I know you are not a Quaker, so you use an internal combustion engine every single day. Now imagine life without it. Imagine life without electricity. That is what life without oil would be.
I am glad they have oil. And it is theirs, thats why they are rich beyond measure. But if they EVERY try to deny it to someone, a war will ensue.
finally after all this back and forth we are getting somewhere i think G
you see .. this is what drives american foriegn policy .. it is fear
you dont want anyone else to have nukes etc incase you need to enforce your will
the american economy is dependant on oil .. foriegn oil
it is running out G .. there cant be that many more fossilised things to dig up ...
george orwell said :
In our time, politics are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the
Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of
euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness.
hmmm .. you can justify your right to oil G .. but the only justification you actually have is having a bigger gun then them
... your describing imperialism my friend .. hehehe
better hope those scientists come up with an alternative to oil soon eh !
Todays 'Last throws' from Iraq
BAIJI - Four U.S. soldiers were killed and six wounded late on Tuesday in an attack on a patrol near the oil town of Baiji, 180 km (115 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said in a statement on Wednesday. Police said two Humvee patrol vehicles and a larger armoured vehicle were wrecked.
MOSUL - Fifteen people were killed in separate incidents over the past 24 hours in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad. A police source said there were two policemen among the dead. They were gunned down while heading to work.
BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber killed six people and wounded 14 when he drove a car at a police patrol in the Ghazaliya district of western Baghdad, police and Interior Ministry sources said. Two of the dead and two of the wounded were policemen.
BAGHDAD - A mortar bomb exploded at an intersection in the capital's northern district of Aadhamiya, killing a traffic policeman and wounding six civilians, a police source said.
ISKANDARIYA - Two civilians were killed and another three were wounded when gunmen shot at their car near Iskandariya, 60 km (40 miles) south of Baghdad, a police source said.
BAGHDAD - Police brigadier Khudhur Abbas al-Salih was kidnapped when he left his house in the capital's northern district of Raghiba Khatoun. A police source said the kidnappers had called his wife, asked for ransom and threatened to behead him if she did not pay.
RAMADI - Nine car bombs and 28 improvised bombs were discovered and 32 suspects were detained in operation Quick Strike in Ramadi, 110 km (68 miles) west of Baghdad, a U.S. military statement said on Tuesday. The operation has ended.
HABBANIYA - A U.S. soldier was killed by small arms fire on Tuesday in the town of Habbaniya, west of Baghdad near Ramadi, a U.S. military statement said. * BAIJI - Gunmen attacked a checkpoint manned by Iraqi army and police near Baiji, killing four soldiers and wounding four, including a civilian, police said.
What we routinely misname a democracy (our form of government is a republic, not a democracy) evolved through the centuries from our mother country, the United Kingdom. It has taken hold nowhere else on the globe except in the English-speaking countries, not even on Continental Europe.
It is uniquely English, based on English common law.
One would have to be a moron or entirely ignorant of the Muslim world to expect that you could impose that system on Iraq at the point of a gun. There is such a striking absence of common sense in Washington that I sometimes think we ought to outsource the State Department to the Teamsters Union, and intelligence work to the Mafia. It would help if we moved the national capital to Fargo, N.D., where subzero temperatures might encourage Congress to do its work on time
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Are we losing ?
The U.S. military continues to try to shut down the Iraqi insurgents with "sweeps" of different towns or hotspots. Typically this is a reactive move following deaths of U.S. servicemen.
It takes time for the U.S. military to respond to any provocation, because the only way Americans will engage the enemy is from heavily armored vehicles with massive firepower. This calls for logistics, planning, and usually eliminates any possible use of stealth or rapid response to achieve tactical advantage. So, we see the U.S. running their sweeps into towns and villages or utilizing air strikes and bombings or artillery attacks -- after the fact, usually well after the fact of any insurgent activity.
This means that long after the militants are out of the building, the bomb strikes and killing non-combatants such as local families. Long after the insurgent tactical squads have evacuated a town or village, the tanks roll in and blast the smithereens out of any building from which fire was suspected two days earlier. Oops! More dead civilians. This farce of warfare is good for only one thing -- increasing recruitment for the insurgency. "Kill my cousin and now I kill you" is the understandable reaction of thousands of Iraqis now.
Talk about motivation!
The American way of warfare was designed to win huge land wars, such on the European theater against masses of Russians with huge tank armies. America needed massive firepower because of being outgunned in that potential theater of war.
In Iraq, America has the advantage in numbers of men AND firepower, but little room for maneuver and little initiative. Americans are on their heels and when they do try to take the initiative they fire into buildings long after the battle is over.
This war cannot be won by America.
Those 'pathetic' Iraqis just will not stand and fight toe to toe. For some strange reason, the Iraqis are fighting to win, not to meet American wishes and expectations. Every day that Americans are in Iraq fighting the insurgency is another day that George Bush is losing ground. Every death of an American soldier is a nail in the coffin of the American Empire.
And George Bush thought it would be easy! Mission Accomplished, George! George has lost some of that strut he used to use when walking across the aircraft carrier deck. His senior military officers are probably having a hard time looking him in the eye. Rumsfeld is a little less cocky these days, and Cheney is buried in his bunker thinking about nuking Iraq and Iran, because he has no other solution. American strategy is proving to be weak, and it all started when the Iraqis refused to sit still and be blown to smithereens.
you have it all figured out, don't you.
i wouldnt go that far .. but i would say that to look at all angles of this conflict is vital
wouldnt want to end up like fox would I :o)
Osama bin Laden in Iraq
Hey .. thats what it said .. anyway after the huge post on the MI6 agent i thought it better to lighten the mood .. so we go from the sensible to the stupid . I just picked up this story
U.S. troops in Iraq have seized documents suggesting al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is planning to enter Iraq during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, according to an Iranian news agency report.
Bin Laden's visit to Iraq during Ramadan, which this year begins in early October, would be part of an al-Qaida attempt to further destabilize the war-ravaged country and to lead a coup attempt against the government in Baghdad, the Mehr news agency said.
Citing a spokesman from the Shiite terrorist group Hezbollah of Iraq, the report said that Americans soldiers found documents, apparently meant for internal use by an Iraqi al-Qaida affiliate, the Mujahadeen of the Land of Rafedin, mentioning bin Laden's planned visit.
The documents were reportedly seized in a house in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
and if you believe that then you probably voted for George
Interview with former MI6 agent
Alastair Crooke is a former official with Britain's MI6 intelligence agency and I have picked up this recent interview with al-jazeera that makes fascinating reading .Considering his previous position it is probably fair to presume that his view mirrors that of MI6 and therefore makes the interview more interesting still. The fact that his views are not as extreme as those i so often come across is something of a comfort . Alastair spent many years in the Arab and Muslim world and engaged in dialogue with Hamas and Hizb Allah, as well as facing paramilitary forces and drug cartels in Latin America and militias in Africa. During this time, Crooke helped end the Israeli siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002 and worked to mediate the summer 2003 ceasefire between Palestinian armed groups and Israeli forces. So he knows his stuff , If only more people could see the bigger picture
How do you explain the apparent increase in bombings taking place around the world, most recently seen in London and Egypt? What is happening?
What I think we see is a division in views that is taking place. I think we have on the one hand groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hizb Allah who are trying to build a Muslim society, and to get a stake in society and in power, by working through the electoral process, by trying to work or to try to contrive the reforms that will allow them, if you like, from the bottom up, popular Islamism.
You see that very clearly taking place in Egypt, where there is a process of drawing on a popular desire to see elections, changes and reforms - and trying to mobilise that popular support in order to get a stake in power, whereby they can bring about the changes that conform with what their constituencies are looking to.
On the other hand, I think there is a different trend which sees the project of decolonisation after the last European war having been incomplete and having failed, and amongst some of this trend, you get the sense that you have to break the system in order to make the system. You've actually got to bring down the structures in order to start again.
That accommodation ultimately will fail because the West won't allow groups like Hamas, Hizb Allah and others to participate fully in the electoral process. So they are looking to another way of doing that, in which they are challenging, if you like, completing the process of decolonisation. They believe you have to pull the structure down and start again.
I think this dichotomy was elegantly described by Muqtada al-Sadr [a Shia Muslim cleric in Iraq] in a recent interview, in which he said, 'Look, there are some of my brothers who believe that by working with the provisional government, they can work to bring about an end to the occupation of Iraq. Well, I wish them luck with that, but I believe ultimately they will fail because the United States will not allow it. That is why I believe that first by resistance we must bring about the end of occupation, and only then will it be possible to create a state, a Muslim state, in Iraq'.
And I think that is something of the dilemma we are facing, that I think what we saw in Egypt is [both trends] taking place at the same time. On the one hand, you have the Muslim Brotherhood and the other groups working politically, challenging for power through the electoral process, and we see the bombs that took place in Sharm al-Shaikh - we don't yet know the full motivation - which may represent the other trend, which says, you've got to collapse the system before you can really rebuild a fair and just society.
You make a distinction between the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hizb Allah, and al-Qaida or al-Qaida related-groups, that are more global in their actions?
I think there is a big difference between the two, in that what you have is Hamas, Hizb Allah, Jammat Islamiya, Muslim Brotherhood and these groups.
They may be seen on the one hand through the optic of using resistance or violence, in support of their objectives, but these groups all favour elections, they look for reform, they're looking for constitutional change in their society, and that is an important difference between these groups and some of the other Salafi, Takfiri, extreme radical groups who are looking for polarisation.
So what does al-Qaida want?
Well, I'm afraid I'm one of those people in the West that thinks this title, al-Qaida, has become so overused and used so widely, that I mean that's it's impossible any longer to say.
I don't think there is that organisational structure that is so often presented in the West, but I think it is quite clear the main objective is the removal of Western armies from Muslim lands and an ability to create a just society in Muslim lands. But their methodology is very different.
This is to oversimplify it, but it has some objectives which were evident in 1998 [the year Osama bin Laden declared a fatwa calling on his followers to kill American nationals and allies of the US, and the year of the East Africa embassy bombings] which was about polarisation and radicalisation and a short circuiting of the route to an Islamic society by an act of "shock and awe" that would radicalise the ummah [global Muslim community] and bring about an instant change.
But for many Muslims and many groups - including the Islamists - they would say it has alienated much of the ummah by the type and nature of the violence that has been used to radicalise the situation. And also some would say that it has made the conditions for Muslims worse off because of "the war on terror".
And certainly, some groups might point to the situation of the Palestinians as an example and say it has greatly deteriorated. So what have these acts achieved?
Do you think America is waging the ''war on terror'' in an effective manner?
You have to go back and say, what is a war? "Terror" -whatever that means - I don't use that word because I don't think it's necessarily helpful to understanding what we're dealing with.
And certainly, if we are, it's why I prefer to use such words as political insurgency - an incipient political insurgency - because an insurgency is basically about psychology and politics and that's what we have been trying to understand, and that's what we have to deal with.
But I think there are two things that are very important to understand. One is that in dealing with the situation we have now, the first thing is the West often muddles together things that are so completely different. They group Hamas and Hizb Allah and put them in the same box and say all of this is "Islamist terrorism".
They couldn't be more poles apart. Just [recently] for example, I heard that there is an assassination list put out by some of these radical groups which contain Hizb Allah names on it, proposing that they should be assassinated. There is a world of difference between bunching them together - the struggle and the difference between [these] groups.
The other thing that is important to understand is we often talk about anger and hostility, but there is also a feeling in the West that it is just anger and hostility to the West and that, if only things settle down in Iraq and if Muslims are more educated and get a little bit more money, it will all go away and vanish and things will become stable again. I think that is to miss the point.
There is anger, and there is this hostility, but there is also beneath that a substantive critique of Western policies, of Western economic structures of our financial system, of our trade policy, of our development policy, of our foreign policies and also an alternative view of how a society should be. In other words, the challenge that they are not necessarily universal values. So I think we should just not regard this as a froth of anger that will be dissipated, if only a little more money and investment is poured into the [affected places].
I think the anger may diminish, but there beneath this, a substantive and real critique needs to be addressed by the West and not denied by them.
US President George Bush says that extremist groups like al-Qaida hate the democracy and values the West represents. Is this a correct view and understanding of what motivates such groups?
This is completely wrong. Muslims everywhere - and the polls underline this very clearly - reflect the same values: They do not hate our values, but they do hate our policies.
Polls show very clearly that Muslims support elections, they want popular participation in government. They want effective and good governance and they want reform. And these are the same values as European and American societies. Muslim values expressed in the polls represent no threat to our societies.
Perhaps they will look for a society that is underpinned with ethical values not only in a personal sphere but in an institutional sphere, and in a sphere of governance in order to avoid what they see as some of the weaknesses of a secular liberal democracy, but that is not a challenge, or an existential threat to our societies.
Why do you believe it is important to talk to groups that use such tactics as suicide bombings?
I don't want to imply that that is a condoning of these tactics, but what we are looking at is we are talking to those groups that have sometimes used political violence, but these are groups that should also be seen, on the other hand, [as groups] who do support elections, who do support positive reform and change, and who reflect significant Muslim constituencies. They have a real legitimacy. They clearly have many people who support their activities and vote for them and express their support. So they do have a real legitimacy, which the West must not sweep under the carpet and pretend it's not there.
With the other groups [such as al-Qaida], there is no indication of whether they have a clear legitimacy. Maybe some arguments that they make have some resonance, perhaps or not within the whole of Muslim societies, but some sectors of it. There's no formal way of judging the degree to which there is legitimacy for their views, as opposed to some ephemeral resonance that some arguments have within Muslim society, so there is a big difference, I believe. The other difference is, if they're looking for polarisation and radicalisation, then I'll doubt if they want to talk to anyone.
Should governments not take the principled stand that they should not negotiate with those who use such indiscriminate carnage?
We need to find the most effective way to break a cycle of violence and we need to address it in a number of ways. One of the clear things I'm saying is that once you look and understand that this is also about politics, it means we have to have a political approach, as well as a need to protect our societies too. Every society has to protect its citizens, that is the duty of a government.
But it is also important to look at it more widely and to understand possibly that by labelling and lumping together groups like Hamas and Hizb Allah and others that clearly are wanting to participate ... to try to deny them political space, to isolate and demonize them and disempower their discourse is the wrong way to go about it.
You have moderates and young people - even people here in the camps in Lebanon - who would say to their political leaders, "Look, see where your moderation has got you? See what you've succeeded in? Your still labelled a terrorist, you are still hunted down and killed and it has achieved for you nothing." If that continues, it would be not surprising if people - young people - will say there's no point [in positive participation].
“I don't want to imply that that is a condoning of these tactics, but what we are looking at is we are talking to those groups that have sometimes used political violence, but these are groups that should also be seen, on the other hand, [as groups] who do support elections, who do support positive reform and change, and who reflect significant Muslim constituencies.”
B.S. H, none of the groups that we consider extreme or radical only “sometimes use political violence”, and they never support elections, positive reform or change. They believe in a religious Theocracy where all subjects will follow their narrow interpretation of Islam. This particular quote goes to the heart of why Liberals would loose any fight for a society against these people. You cant talk them out of what they want. You can either beat them, or join them, but there is no compromise. What he terms as “sometimes use political violence” is a vastly different description than I would use for daily suicide bombings, decapitating hostages, and killing children receiving candy.
I think your confusing al-qaeda with these other groups G , the point is there not the same and it a simplistic view to just clump them all together
more importantly this opinion comes from a ex representive of MI6 , they know there stuff G , it would be like me telling you how to be a Marine .. you have to listen to those that know G , even if you dont agree
I was in the intelligence (is there such a thing?) field when in the Marines. The part I quoted was in response to this question
"Why do you believe it is important to talk to groups that use such tactics as suicide bombings?"
So I am not clumping groups together. This was his response about actions that do insane things. Political violence was a patty-cake word used to sugar coat hienous acts of brutalism.
sadly G , and i really would rather not .. you have to talk to them ...
like sinn fien they have a small percentage of the people that support them ,
it is the same point as ever .. you can not defeat a terrorist army by force alone .. it never has worked and never will
my sentiments are the same as yours in the fact that this people are the scum of the earth
but so are child murderers,rapists etc .. and the police have to speak to them
without opening dialogue , we will never win
we even had dialoge with the nazis
Rumsfeld ups pressure on Iran
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said weapons from Iran have been found in Iraq. An issue that we reported on this site a few days ago
Mr Rumsfeld said it was "unhelpful" of Tehran not to have prevented them from crossing the border. erm Donald , doesn't a border have two sides ? they are not responsible for the Iraqi border ! maybe you should be shouting at the Iraqis or if as you say only 3000 of them are trained then who is exactly is guarding the borders ?
what a wonderful and strange piece of double logic
He said the arms were "clearly" Iranian but refused to describe them or say how many had been identified
Some media reports have suggested that the weapons include sophisticated explosives that are finding their way into the hands of insurgents but there is as yet no independent confirmation of that
I hope Syria is watching closely ..
...they must be next
Another burst of 'last throws' from today in Iraq
BAGHDAD - At least 10 Iraqi policemen were shot dead in five separate attacks in Baghdad on Tuesday, an Interior Ministry official said.
In one attack, four policemen on patrol were killed by insurgents with automatic weapons on a major highway in the eastern part of the capital.
BAGHDAD - At least three Iraqis were killed and 32 injured by a suicide car bomb targeting a police convoy on a busy central Baghdad street, police said.
BAQUBA - Three pilgrims were killed and eight injured when gunmen sprayed their minivan with gunfire near the town of Baquba, medical sources said. The pilgrims were heading to neighbouring Iran to visit a holy Shi'ite shrine.
ABU KHAMIS - Two people were burned to death when insurgents stopped their truck and set fire to it in an area called Abu Khamis, just north of Baghdad, police said. It was unclear why the truck had been targeted.
LATIFIYAH - Two Iraqi civilians were killed and a third critically wounded on Monday when gunmen fired on their car while they travelled on a main road near the violent town of Latifiyah, just south of Baghdad, police said.
Police said it was unclear why the three men, who were brothers, had been attacked. Scores of Shi'ites have been murdered near the town by Sunni radicals in the past year.
* BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber in a car killed one U.S. soldier and wounded two when he struck their convoy at a Baghdad intersection, the U.S. military said in a statement.
* HILLA - Gunmen killed a former officer in Saddam Hussein's Baath party in the southern town of Hilla, police said.
BAGHDAD - One police commando was killed and another injured by an explosion in Baghdad's Mansour district, police at the scene said.
BAQUBA - One policeman was killed and another injured when gunmen fired on their patrol car in the centre of Baquba, a town about 40 km (25 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
BAGHDAD - One civilian was killed and another injured when gunmen attacked their mobile phone shop in al-Jamee'a district of southwest Baghdad, a hospital source said.
RAMADI - One U.S. soldier was killed in action on Monday by small arms fire during combat operations in Ramadi, 110 km (70 miles) west of Baghdad, a U.S. military statement said.
CIA asked us to let nuclear spy go
AMSTERDAM — The CIA asked the Netherlands not to detain Pakistani scientist Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan for stealing nuclear secrets from a Dutch facility, former Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers has claimed.
Speaking on Dutch radio programme Argos on Tuesday morning, Lubbers said the Dutch authorities held off from taking action against Khan in 1975 and 1986 because the US security agency wanted to gain more information about the scientist's activities.
Khan was hailed a national hero in Pakistan in 1997 when the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif announced that the country possessed nuclear weapons.
It emerged later that Khan also headed a clandestine network that sold on nuclear know-how to Libya, North Korea and Iran. Although there was mounting evidence of Khan's illicit activities by 2001, this was only made public in 2004.
Born in Bhopal, Khan trained as a metallurgist in Germany. From May 1972 to December 1975 he was employed by Physics Dynamic Research Laboratory (also known as FDO), an engineering firm based in Amsterdam and a subcontractor to the URENCO consortium specialising in the manufacture of nuclear equipment.
Urenco's primary enrichment facility was in Dutch city of Almelo, near the German border. Khan had an office there by late 1974, the website of globalsecurity.org says.
In early 1976, Khan left the Netherlands with secret Urenco blueprints for an uranium centrifuge. He was convicted in absentia by a court in the Netherlands in 1983 for stealing the designs. The conviction was later overturned on a technicality.
Phew good job he wasn't Iranian !
Every Mother's Son
George W. Bush hauled stakes for Texas and a vacation a few days ago. Cindy Sheehan followed. She got off a bus Saturday afternoon and started walking to the Crawford ranch. She wanted some answers and was going to get them.
Sheehan had met Mr. Bush once before. On April 4, 2004, just shy of a year after Bush stood on an aircraft carrier beneath a banner that read "Mission Accomplished," Cindy Sheehan's son, Army Specialist Casey A. Sheehan, was killed in Iraq when his unit was attacked by rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire. He was 24 years old.
After Casey's death, Cindy Sheehan was invited to the White House for a visit with Mr. Bush in June of 2004. Her first memory of Bush's appearance that day was when he walked into the room and said in a loud, bluff voice, "Who we'all honorin' today?"
"His mouth kept moving," Sheehan later recalled of her meeting with Bush, "but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all. This is a human being totally disconnected from humanity and reality. His eyes were empty, hollow shells." Bush called her "Ma" or "Mom" throughout the whole meeting, and never got around to learning her name.
"The whole meeting was simply bizarre and disgusting," Sheehan said later. "Designed to intimidate instead of providing compassion. He didn't even know our names. I just couldn't believe this was happening. It was so surreal and bizarre. Later I met with some of the other fifteen or sixteen families who were at the White House the same day and, sure enough, they all felt the same way I did."
9/11 New evidence comes to light
A year before the 9/11 attacks a secret US intelligence unit had identified four of the hijackers as likely linked to al-Qaeda, a US congressman says.
But the unit's request for the FBI to be informed was turned down, according to Representative Curt Weldon.
One of the men identified was said to be 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta.
Mr Weldon has a reputation for bold statements, but his comments are being taken seriously after claims from an unnamed former intelligence official
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btw .. sorry for the delay in my first post today ,.. i have been reading another site that had me slightly distracted with amusement
This was under our good friend Mr. Clinton... H, you need to mention that, otherwise our young lefties will jump at it as more BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eeek .. really .. or maybe it just happens to be true
nah .. couldnt be could it
hehehehe G i report this as a story .. it is the facts that interest me .. i am no fan of clinton bud
if it was under clinton or bush or reagan or anyone i dont care
makes no difference to me over in blighty
We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace.
But Japan, Germany, and Italy are all democratic republics now and do not attack their neighbors anymore. So, fighting fire with fire did work in this case. Sometimes the only way to stop violence is with violence.
and can you tell me how many years the 'world' has had in peace since 1945 ?
Those three countries have been at peace since 1945. The three countries that exercised violence against their neighbors, now are at peace because they were overpowered with violence.
The world is a different story. There will never be at peace as long as there is some leader of some nation or movement that goes into the tertiary stage of syphilis, and tries to overpower others with violence.
to be fair to myself , what i said was
'We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace.'
and since the day this picture was taken the world has not had a single year of peace ..
unless you can find one ?
i am not one of those that accept that the bombing of japan was needed as it shortened the war
but i do understand that argument and have no disrespect for it
my point is more general
that with such weapons , the world can not ever find peace
The UK and US made a 'cows ear' of anthrax deal with Saddam
A BRITISH cow that died in an Oxfordshire field in 1937 has emerged as the source of Saddam Hussain’s “weapons of mass destruction” programme that led to the Iraq war.
An ear from the cow was sent to an English laboratory, where scientists discovered anthrax spores that were later used in secret biological warfare tests by Winston Churchill.
The culture was sent to the United States, which exported samples to Iraq during Saddam’s war against Iran in the 1980s. Inspectors have found that this batch of anthrax was the dictator’s choice in his attempts to create biological weapons.
The discovery has angered some British politicians. Austin Mitchell, the Labour MP for Great Grimsby, has renewed his call, supported by 126 MPs in the last Parliament, for a UN investigation into whether Washington broke a weapons control agreement.
“It just makes them look more hypocritical than ever,”
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You left a comment on my blog about me being normal because of all of my emotions, and I just wanted to thank you. It made me feel good!!!!
:o) , you dont need to thank me , i was just being honest
H, I thought it was pretty much a given that Iraq and Iran got their bio weapons from Russia and the US?
and Germany and france to a degree , but some people still wont accept it ..
really the point of this post is more to do with the cow :o)
although we knew what happened this piece in the Times helps us to understand how it happened
as for iran , the story is a little different , i dont know of any US or UK links to supplying WMD to Iran .. but maybe i am wrong on that
How about the anthrax attacks following 9/11. They seemed to have swept that whole debacle under the rug in a hurry. It was some pretty damn transparent home grown terrorism coming from in our government.
[Urelated] Great link H.
click on osama
'The page you are attempting to access has been removed because it violated Angelfire's Terms of Service'
what was it phishy ? i have to know now :o)
Well, yes. I have a nice shot here
of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam Hussein 3 months prior to the massacre of the Kurds. After Saddam's WMD use, we continued to fund him to the tune of billions through 1990.
The same goddamn people who are in power in the US right now.
main incidents in Iraq today
or 'last throws' meets 'losing steam'
BAGHDAD, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on Sunday, Aug. 8, as of 1330 GMT.
U.S. and Iraqi forces are battling a Sunni Arab insurgency against the Shi'ite and Kurdish-led government in Baghdad.
SAMAWA - Guerrillas fired rocket-propelled grenades at police in the southern town of Samawa in a second day of unrest. On Sunday, hundreds of protesters demanded the governor's resignation and better services. Police shot and killed one protester and wounded 40, police and doctors said on Sunday.
SAMARRA - The bodies of five policemen who were shot dead and thrown in a river were found in the northern town of Samarra, police said. They were on their way home for vacation when they were killed, police said.
BAGHDAD - A translator working at Baghdad's Doura power station was shot dead, said a source at Yarmouk hospital.
FALLUJA - A suicide bomber attacked a U.S. patrol in the former rebel stronghold of Falluja, west of Baghdad, Iraqi police sources said. There was no immediate confirmation of the attack from the U.S. military and no word on casualties.
KIRKUK - Two employees of the Iraqi state-owned North Oil Company were shot dead by gunmen in Fatha, 75 km (45 miles) southwest of Kirkuk, police said.
Saddam's family sacks foreign legal team
The family of ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has sacked all members of his foreign defence team and would deal only with his Iraqi lawyer.
Saddam, who was ousted in April 2003 after the US-led invasion of Iraq and captured the following December, is in US custody near Baghdad awaiting trial on charges of crimes against humanity.
No trial date has yet been set.
"From today, none of the lawyers, except Iraqi lawyer Khalil Dulaimi, will have the right to act on behalf of Saddam," according to a statement from the family signed by Saddam's daughter Raghad.
"They used their position to further interests not linked to the case," the statement said.
A member of the Amman-based defence committee, Issam al-Ghazzawi, said the family's decision may be linked to the number of public declarations by various lawyers about Saddam's case.
"Defence committee members do not have the mandate to plead Saddam's case in court, but will offer legal advice and support, nothing more," he added.
The committee, which has about 20 active lawyers, does not recognise the competence of the Iraq Special Tribunal to try Saddam.
Last month, the court filed the first charges against Saddam over the 1982 killing of 143 residents of the village of Dujail, north-east of Baghdad, where he had been the target of a failed assassination bid.
World oil prices reach a new high
) - World oil prices have struck fresh record high points, reaching almost 64 dollars in New York, as an unspecified threat caused the United States to shut its embassy in Saudi Arabia -- the world's biggest exporter of crude.
New York's main contract, light sweet crude for delivery in September, soared 1.68 dollars Monday to 63.99 dollars per barrel in early deals.
Before Monday, the previous high stood at 62.50 dollars -- a level reached last Wednesday after US refineries were hit by disruptions
Cindy Sheenan threatened with arrest
is reporting that a source close to the war protest mom currently camped outside the Bush home in Crawford, Texas has been threatened with arrest .
'David Swanson from Daily Kos reports:
Cindy Sheehan phoned me from Texas a few minutes ago to say that she's been informed that beginning Thursday, she and her companions will be considered a threat to national security and will be arrested. Coincidentally, Thursday is the day that Rice and Rumsfeld visit the ranch, and Friday is a fundraiser event for the haves and the have mores. Cindy said that she and others plan to be arrested. '
for those that wish to , there is a link at Daily Dissent to send your messages to Cindy
Iran, the bomb and the truth
The facts about Iran's "alleged" nuclear weapons program have never been in dispute. There is no such program and no one has ever produced a shred of credible evidence to the contrary. That hasn't stopped the Bush administration from making spurious accusations and threats; nor has it deterred America's "imbedded" media from implying that Iran is hiding a nuclear weapons program from the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency).
Iran has no nuclear weapons program. This is the conclusion of Mohammed el-Baradei the respected chief of the IAEA. The agency has conducted a thorough and nearly-continuous investigation on all suspected sites for the last two years and has come up with the very same result every time; nothing.
If we can't trust the findings of these comprehensive investigations by nuclear experts than the agency should be shut down and the NPT (Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty) should be abandoned. It is just that simple.
That, of course, is exactly what the US and Israel would prefer since they have no intention of complying with international standards or treaties and are entirely committed to a military confrontation with Iran.
The United States doesn't allow any intrusive inspections on its nuclear weapons sites even though it is the only nation that has ever used nukes in battle and even though it is developing a whole new regime of tactical "bunker-buster" bombs for destroying heavily-fortified weapons sites buried beneath the ground.
The US is also the only nation that claims the right to use nukes in a "first-strike" capacity if it feels that its national security interests are at stake.
The NPT is entirely designed to harass the countries that have not yet developed nuclear weapons and force them to observe rules designed by the more powerful states. It was intended to maintain the existing power-structure not to keep the peace.
Why should Iran forgo the processing of nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes if it is written right into the treaty? Would Israel or Pakistan accept a similar proposal?
Of course, not. Both countries ignored the treaty altogether and built their own nuclear weapons behind the back of the international community. Only Iran has been singled out and punished for COMPLYING with the treaty. This demonstrates the power of Washington to dictate the international agenda.
So far, none of the terrorist bombings in London, Spain, Turkey, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia or the US have implicated even one Iranian national. That will certainly change if we pursue this this current agenda . Iranian Intelligence has probably already planned covert operations that will be carried out in the event of an unprovoked attack on their facilities. Iran is also likely to become an active supporter of international terrorist groups; enlisting more recruits in the war against American interests. After all, any attack on Iran can only be construed as a declaration of all-out war.
snippets taken from "ICH"
bomb them off the face of the planet.
hehe , i didnt release the first reply would be quite so scientific .. .. oh well
duh....um...uh....yup, u should bomb them rite off the planat. wut the fuck duz i care, long as i have my trailer a 6 pack of miester brau, and a super walmart up the street frum me. life is good.
Iran has restarted its nuclear programme
Iran has resumed sensitive fuel cycle work at its uranium conversion facility near the city of Isfahan.
The UN's nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, confirmed work had begun at the plant, after it was suspended in 2004 to allow for negotiations with the EU.
The US and EU had previously warned that any resumption could lead to Iran being referred to the UN Security Council for economic sanctions.
full story Here
Iran has declared that it will resume nuclear conversion at Esfahan within one or two days. Europe has requested an emergency meeting of the IAEA to pressure Iran not to resume nuclear fuel cycle work. Israel is pressuring Ukraine to demand from Iran the 12 nuclear-capable X-55 cruise missiles that were smuggled there four years ago.
All of this is happening as the talks with North Korea are drawing to a crucial, and so far unpredictable, end.
So is World War III imminent? Hardly.
Over reaction is exactly what these unlikely allies are fishing for. The coincidence of declared threats by both countries is a bit too convenient. By cranking the nuclear threat pressure simultaneously, both North Korea and Iran are hoping to walk away with the most handouts.
Thanks for visiting Kira ,
interesting thoughts which you explain in more depth on your own site ..
you said 'Over reaction is exactly what these unlikely allies are fishing for'
i have yet to see any evidence of these two countries becoming allies , to connect them seems to again play into he hands of those that would wish to crank up the pseudo fear levels
brings memories flooding back of the warped axes of evil speech by Bush
on the greater point of them both seeking to gain from this , i agree
though i feel the timing of this has more to do with US policy then either Korean or Iranian
They both see the options availible to the US are at probably the lowest point they can be due to Iraq and the "war on whatever you call it this week"
and when you play such a game , timing is of the essense
of course there is also the legal issue that can be played out
Iran is not "violating" the treaty by moving ahead with a program for "enriching uranium". They don't even have the centrifuges for conducting such a process. The re-opening of their facility at Isfahan signals that they will continue the "conversion" process to produce the nuclear fuel that is required in nuclear power plants. This is all permitted under the terms of the NPT
Why should Iran forgo the processing of nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes if it is written right into the treaty? Would Israel or Pakistan accept a similar proposal?
Of course, not. Both countries ignored the treaty altogether and built their own nuclear weapons behind the back of the international community. Only Iran has been singled out and punished for COMPLYING with the treaty. This demonstrates the power of Washington to dictate the international agenda.
Iran rejects US allegations of intervention in Iraq
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi on Sunday rejected US defense secretary's allegations on Iran's intervention in Iraqi affairs. In his weekly press briefing, he reacted to the recent allegations of the US defense secretary accusing Iran of intervening in Iraq's internal affairs by transferring bombs to the country, the spokesman said that there is nothing to motivate Iran to do so. He stressed that Iran supports establishment of stability and security in the country.
He further commented that such remarks by the US officials aimed at justifying US failure in Iraq to the world's public opinion by inventing a hypothetical enemy which could be blamed for the failures.
right, because Iran has always been upstanding members of the world community, and would never involove them selves in shady undertakings to sabotage the US effort in Iraq
right, because the Us has always been an upstanding member of the world community , and would never involve themselves in shady undertakins to sabotage the Iranian effort in Iraq. Very easy to take tedious points and make them sound fun!
what Iranian effort in Iraq? I thought they were claiming they were not involvoed?
all countries get upto sabotage and unlawfull activity G , why would i deny the Iranians the chance to speak when i allow Bush to tell me about fictitious links between saddam and al-qaeda and saddam and weapons of mass destruction that were not there
even when they were there they were made at a factory built by american compnay Bechtel for the dual use purpose and authorised to do so by the US government
what do you suggest i do , ignore every other view in the world apart from the US one ?
i take this report with a pinch of salt , just like the US reports or the UK ones ... it is by knowing both sides of an issue that you can seek the truth
Just read the PNAC. It is in plain writing for all to see. They don't hide anything about there plan to make the US the only superpower in the world. If you people would only read this fucking rag neo-con twisted ideological way of thinking, you would see that they are already well into the first phase. Read it and you will see our plan to invade Iran and Syria next. The PNAC doesn't represent anything that I believe, or most Americans for that matter. God damn, It is a freakin blueprint of what we are doing today. Meaning if you read the damn thing you will see there were plans for Iraq long before 9/11 (not that there is any connection) But 9/11 was the excuse the neo-con's needed to get into Afghanistan and Iraq. Read the damn thing and with an open mind ponder the similarities of the text of PNAC and today's current events. If you care to know where the next war will be? It will be with Iran and or Syria. Like H's article suggests Neo-con ass wipes are beating the war drums now!
Apathy is contagious, fortunately so is responsibility.
as you know phishy the PNAC is what is responsible for what has got us to this point , and unless stopped the PNAC will also be moving towards the next stage in there publicly availible documents .. i really shoul put a few links up to the PNAC site , it is very hard to deny when the documents from 1997/1998 read like a future glance at history
on a seperate note phisy , i have done some research into a connecting matter that is just as concerning but i feel unable to post it here , if you want a heads up then email me (via my profile) but if you are unable then no probs
you people just make all the kinds of sense to me. i think i'll go hug a tree. maybe pour some wesson oil in my gas tank. have a little sing song about world peace.
probably the best thing you can do
meanwhile the rest of us will use the trees to make nice things called books that we will all read
have fun in your tree
new poll: Americans slam Bush over Iraq
WASHINGTON, Aug 7
In one of the the lowest ratings for US President Mr George W Bush, 61 per cent of Americans have disapproved of his handling of the war in Iraq, a new opinion poll has revealed. Newsweek magazine, which conducted the poll, said yesterday that it was Mr Bush’s lowest approval on Iraq and the first below-40 per cent drop in his ratings. Only 34 per cent of those polled said they approved of Mr Bush’s handling of Iraq. While 50 per cent said the US was losing ground in its efforts to establish security and democracy in the country, only 40 per cent said US was making progress. A poll done by the magazine one month ago had shown that 41 per cent of Americans approved of Mr Bush’s handling of Iraq while 54 per cent did not.
Update: Yet another two soldiers die in Iraq today
Again the source is US Centcom
August 7, 2005
Release Number: 05-08-10
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASETWO TASK FORCE LIBERTY SOLDIERS KILLED, THREE WOUNDED BY IED
Two Task Force Liberty Soldiers were killed and three were wounded when an improvised explosive device detonated near a vehicle patrol near Samarra at about 6:00 p.m. on August 6. The Soldiers were evacuated to a Coalition Forces medical facility where two Soldiers died of wounds sustained in the attack. The names of the Soldiers are being withheld pending notification of next of kin
Soldier's mom digs in near Bush ranch
CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN) -- A mother whose son was killed in Iraq says she is prepared to continue her protest outside President Bush's ranch through August until she is granted an opportunity to speak with him.
Another wonderful example of real american determination , i wish her luck
full story Here
Iraq suicide blast kills seven
Sunday's Last Throws
Seven Iraqi soldiers were killed and 17 were wounded in a suicide bomb blast in central Tikrit on Sunday, an Iraqi army source said.
The suicide bomber blew up a truck loaded with explosives at the entrance to an Iraqi army base in Tikrit, some 180 kilometers north of Baghdad.
Despite the violence, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in an interview with Time magazine released on Sunday that the insurgency in Iraq is "losing steam" while "rather quiet political progress" remains on track.
ok Condoleezza , if you say so
UPdate .. on operation "losing steam"
AT least 39 people have been killed in attacks across the country overnight, including the region where Australian soldiers are based, as Iraq's president announced a series of meetings of political leaders to negotiate issues holding up completion of the new constitution Here
Another US marine killed in Iraq
I have just Picked this story up coming out of the United States Central Command
August 7, 2005
Release Number: 05-08-08
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MARINE KILLED BY SUICIDE ATTACK
Iraq – A Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 8, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward) was killed in action August 6 by a suicide vehicle-borne improvised explosive device. The incident took place during combat operations near Al Amiriyah, Iraq.
The name of the deceased is being withheld and will be released by the Department of Defense after the next of kin have been notified
Angry Outsiders Boosting al-Qaida's Ranks
They had roots in Pakistan, Ethiopia, Somalia and Jamaica: the suspected al-Qaida foot soldiers in Britain were immigrants or were children of immigrants - a new breed of recruits that underscores the changes in the organization since the Sept. 11 attacks, say experts studying the London bombings.
you can read the full article Here
and some snippets below
"Al-Qaida version 1.0 is functionally dead," said Jerrold Post, a founding director of the CIA's Center for the Analysis of Personality and Political Behavior. "Al-Qaida version 2.0 is almost more an ideology. ... It's an adaptive organization responding to a crisis."
"Diaspora communities are the main resources for this global jihad," Post told The Associated Press. "(Their families) left for a better life, but they really have not been able to fully integrate with the recipient societies that they have immigrated to."
Jenkins said al-Qaida recruiters are very good at spotting the vulnerable - often young men undergoing personal crises - whether drugs, crime, joblessness, poverty or a spiritual hunger. They are offered an ideology that explains the difficulties and provides a new mind-set.
"This is the way cults recruit," Jenkins said. "To a certain extent ... this is the way armies recruit."
"The thing that holds it together is the ideology itself," he said of al-Qaida's decentralized structure. "How do you attack an ideology? It's very rough to do."
If not impossible if you ask me .
This is in interesting article thanks go to lg-domain
for the heads up
Did Saudi Arabia warn Britain of London attack
A British newspaper reports that Saudi Arabian officials claimed they warned Britain that a terror attack on the United Kingdom was being planned weeks ahead of the July 7 bombs.
The Observer quoted one security official in Riyadh as saying that information was passed to MI5 and MI6, the secret security and intelligence services.
And the Sunday Telegraph quoted the Saudi ambassador to the United Kingdom, Prince Turki al-Faisal, as saying that details of a possible plot to attack London believed to have been obtained from terror suspects under interrogation in the desert kingdom had been given to British intelligence.
9/11 Group Says White House Has Not Provided Files
The New York times is reporting that the White House has failed to turn over any of the information requested by the 10 members of the disbanded Sept. 11 commission in their renewed, unofficial investigation into whether the government is doing enough to prevent terrorist attacks on American soil.
The members said that the Bush administration's lack of cooperation was hindering a project that was otherwise nearly complete.
"It's very disappointing," Mr. Kean(the former Republican governor of New Jersey) said of the administration's failure to cooperate with the group. "All we're trying to do is make the public safer."
Full story here
Thats cause Bush is evil, and he knew about it all before hand, and he should be impeached, and Kerry actually won, just like Gore, and Cheney is making millions from Haliburton, and Enron talked to Bush before they stole everyones money, and Bush is married to the Prince of Saudia Arabia, and when the black helicopters fly over, it really aliens, in cooperation with the vile Republicans, trying to destroy our planet through global warming so they can keep all of the money and force everyone into slave labor...
Look, I fit right in with the Modern Liberal movement.
NOTE: all information obtained from Democrat Political Playbook 1995-2008
you missed the bit about Bush being one of the Lizard people from Mars and that all the UFO's are here bringing the satan bush his constant supply of pretzels ..
interesting book ... 1995-2008 .. they also know the future !!!! wow
what the hell is the Democrat Political Playbook !!
but if your reading it and believing it then it is probably long past your bed time or medication time ..
any serious theory as to why bush is withholding these reports then bud ?
ok .. so i go looking for this democratic play book thingy and the only place i can find it is on republican web sites ... how odd
just for the record ..(and the fact that i am bored) i will go through ya check list
based on confimed facts not political opinion
Bush is evil ---thats subjective . to me he might be but to you he could be a cute little fluffy puppy .. who knows
he knew all about it before hand ... ? knew about what .. it is obvious that Mr bush does not have the worlds quickest brain (check his face as he is told of 9/11 in the school) so if he did know anything before hand my guess it would be what time he has to goto the bathroom and to remember to stop drinking and doing the cocaine now that he is "da president"
Kerry actually won -- i dont know .. but i doubt kerry won..sadly i really believe that the majority of the american public induced by to many hours of fox telivision and the fact that less the 20 % of the population actually own a passport really believed bush when he gave them his view of the world .. and with no access to the truth .. of course they trusted their commander in chief ..
good news though.. it seems the truth is slowly being told regardless did someone say "the facts are being fixed around the policy" is that a nice way of saying .. "hey tony .. they are lying to the american people"
as for gore won ... i dont know will leave that one to you guys to argue .. there is a mountain of evidence to go through , including some very very suspicous racial profiling that made big news in the rest of the world but wont enter that fight ..
cheney is making millions .. he already has millions But just how Cheney got rich deserves some scrutiny. As secretary of defense, Cheney oversaw one of the largest privatization efforts in the history of the Pentagon, steering millions of military dollars to civilian contractors. That much is fact .. now if i was cheney and every time someone mentioned my bank account some republican supporter came along and linked it with UFO's i would be laughing my way to the Bank ... i dont care if he is or isnt crook but you guys should check it out not dismiss it
Bush is married to the Prince of Saudia Arabia--- ah .. i see .. i always thought his wife looked a bit mascaline .. that would explain it
i am quite well informed on the old black helicopter tales .. but i have to admit ... i have never heard that they were piloted by aliens ... i think i will wait for the DVD
as for New world order / turning us into slaves .. well if that is happening i can be sure of one thing
bush is too dumb to have anything to do with it
he said "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."
do you really think someone who is sooooo stupid they think africa is a nation is capable of bringing a new world order !! i think not
Roadside bombs 'Machine manufactured in Iran'
The US military is reporting that 'many of the new, more sophisticated roadside bombs used to attack American and government forces in Iraq have been designed in Iran and smuggled over the border'
But just as troubling is that the spread of the weapons seems to suggest a new and unusual area of cooperation between Iranian Shiites and Iraqi Sunnis to drive American forces out.
In my view if these two factions are joining forces then the problems in Iraq are even greater then we already believe
"These are among the most sophisticated and most lethal devices we've seen," said a leading officer. "It's very serious."
"The devices we're seeing now have been machined," said a military official who has access to classified reporting on the insurgents' bomb-making abilities. "There is evidence of some sophistication."
American officials say they have no evidence that the Iranian government is involved. But defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the new United States ambassador in Baghdad, Zalmay Khalilzad, complained publicly this week about the Tehran government's harmful meddling in Iraqi affairs.
"There is movement across its borders of people and material used in violent acts against Iraq," Khalilzad said last week.
But some Middle East specialists discount any involvement by the Iranian government or Hezbollah, saying it would be counter to their interests to support Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgents, who have stepped up their attacks against Iraqi Shiites. These specialists suggest the arms shipments are more likely to be the work of criminals, arms traffickers or splinter insurgent groups.
Iran rejects EU nuclear incentives
Iran has rejected the European Union's proposals for incentives in return for a suspension of nuclear fuel work as unacceptable.
"The Europeans' submitted proposals regarding the nuclear case are not acceptable for Iran," the official IRNA news agency on Saturday quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi as saying.
"The proposals are unacceptable because Iran's right to enrich uranium is not included," he said.
Full story Here